hottest morph gene that is likely to take off

I understand this is an opinion. I get that from the start, but I am wondering if you guys can give me some insight in some genes that havent really made a huge appearance to the public that will end up taking off. I am interested even if it is to the public already what genes are going to become a gene that will do some awesome things to other combos.

Thanks

Bananas and Coral Glows are going to be within the reach of a lot more people within the next year or two. I also think Desert Ghost might take off shortly.

I like ghi.....

Do you know of any other sleepers I want to work with something that is not talked about as much or isnt given the credit. I saw the disco fire and thought it was awesome. Is there anything else like that. I have heard the disco gene a little bit but not much at all.

I still think hidden gene woma has tons of potential. It's been around, but you don't hear about it much.

I think spotnoses get ignored too much. There is a lot of potential there, but I haven't seen too many people working with them.

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I still think hidden gene woma has tons of potential. It's been around, but you don't hear about it much.

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Clearly you don't watch any of the videos Kevin is in.

Red Stripe. They make some cool combos, but nobody ever shows them off!

I agree as well on spotnose.

Hopefully I'll be able to change a few minds this season with some of the breedings I'm doing with both genes ;)

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Clearly you don't watch any of the videos Kevin is in.

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Besides Kevin... ;)

HGW, while Kevin has a bunch, it's not out there a lot "yet".

Desert ghost
GHI

i like the desrt ghost

Desert Ghost
Blackhead
Red Stripe

There are no reported issues with the desert ghosts are there?

Nope. Totally different gene pool there ;) (It's a recessive, not a incomplete dominant, along with other major differences)

good deal

Ultramel. I think that's gonna be morph to produce. Ultramel + pattern morphs probably aren't going to bee TOO awesome and mindblowing, but adding genes like enchi, lesser, or mojave is sure to change that up.

I want to see a citrus bumblebelly ultramel. The contrast of that snake + the contrast of the ultramel should make something unbelievable

yeah that is an interesting combo. I am going to take a look at all those pictures and see if i can put something together in my head

Desert Ghost
GHI
HGW
Ultramel
Red Stripe
Black Head

If I happened upon a bunch of money I would get pairs of all of these.... But they are spendy. I especially love DG, GHI and HGW.

Black Axanthic I think will be a game changer for axanthics, but I don't see that being a popular one for probably 4yrs+ depending on how many they produce / release.

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Desert Ghost
Blackhead
Red Stripe

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The Arroyo/Rio project looks promising as well. The super form, the Rio, looks awesome!

Banana's are going to be the next obvious animal to enter the market at affordable prices. To look at morphs that are going to take off in the future you have to look at what's new. Frankly there is not a whole lot of new animals being introduced to the public. BHB was responsible for the pinstripe, and they just started producing sunsets. It'll be a while before it reaches the hands of anyone else - but they are setting up to be the next big thing since Banana's IMHO.

In short,

Bananas.. followed by sunsets in the future. Just my :twocents:

Obviously you have your Desert Ghosts, and an assortment of other genes, but honestly - Nothing that I find overly impressive.

I'm thinking the sunset and black axanthics will take off once they are released in more numbers.

I think that among the BlkEL complex the lemonbacks will be the next to take off simply because of how clean of BlkELs they make. Even if they don't I still can't wait to produce my own super lemonback.

Okay, so I don't know if this is really a morph that is going to be taking off soon because it is fairly recent and I think there's only one guy with his hands on them but I think we'll be hearing a ton about Monarchs in the future regardless.

I mean, just look at them, how could we not be.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc...lwhmo1_500.jpg


Also then there are a few obvious ones like GHIs, Bananas, Ultramels, Arroyos/Rios, and Leopards as well as some of maybe the smaller time morphs that will probably start getting more attention soon like the already mentioned Spotnoses, Black heads, and Red Stripes. I've also felt like I've been hearing more about people getting into Sulfurs this year...

After all the OD combo's that went nuts this season, I think Orange Dreams are definitely going to spread like wild fire in the next few years.

(I also agree with basically all the other assessments. Banana, GHI, Black Head, Desert Ghosts)

I'm really curious about honey. It's super is supposed to be a BEL with a lot of pattern, I saw some at the Tuscon Reptile Show, but not the supers :/

I think the sunsets from BHB will have some very wicked morphs coming out, it will just take. While being recessive.

Yeah I have looked at all these pictures of some very awesome morphs you all have mentioned. These are sick. Here is my next question. Among all of these mentioned what gene is going to match up well with all of the others out there to combo it to?

DG, Banana/CG, GHI, OD. Those are all just ones that will become more available in the next couple years. ( Not that they aren't awesome snakes) As far as what's the next 25k snake? Most likely something only a few people have seen.

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Black Axanthic I think will be a game changer for axanthics, but I don't see that being a popular one for probably 4yrs+ depending on how many they produce / release.

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Yes! I like this. I like this alot.

I also like GHI's.

I noticed alot of people are saying desert ghost. I dont think ive seen many desert ghost combos. Is that compatible with orange ghost stuff?

I think the sunset is going to be a huge morph, but it's going to be an expensive one, like the bananas.

As far as I'm concerned, the "hottest morphs" are split into 2 categories. The ones that are too expensive for the hobby breeder (such as myself), and the game changing morphs that mostly the serious investment breeders will purchase. The bananas and GHIs are those investor morphs. They're slowly reaching the hands of the hobby breeders. HGWs and Ultramels are starting to come down low enough in price for us hobby breeders to be able to afford. I think a single gene worth around 2-3k is pretty high end for a hobby breeder. 5k+ for a single gene is more of an investment animal.

I voted ultramel to be the hot 2013 morph since they've finally started to come down in price (for males at least).

GHI combos are already crazy. HGW combos are pretty sick when you add the right genes. The pastel hgw isn't anything special IMO, but adding yellowbelly or enchi turns it up a lot. Ultramel, like the hypo or caramel gene, will really shine with certain morphs, but some won't be super crazy unless you add more. Since ultramel is more of a color mutation, adding more cool colors in the mix will do ya best.

I saw someone mentioned the blackhead. Some of the blackhead combos are pretty cool, but the fact that the blackhead spider isn't spectacular really puts it lower on the hot list for me. The fact that it has a super literally doubles any combo potential that it has, so I can't say for certain what my verdict is :gj:.

so the ultramel is recessive? I have been looking at it a little more. The prices are scattered all over the place. Where did the originate from? Has BHB released the sunset for sale?

Do you think that the ultramels will hold price like the pieds etc

I think blackheads, black axanthics, GHI, sunset, banana/coral glow, and trick are going to take off. As more of these are produced, the price comes down, and lots of us will be able to buy them. I'm really liking that Monarch, too! Is it recessive?

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Yes! I like this. I like this alot.

I also like GHI's.

I noticed alot of people are saying desert ghost. I dont think ive seen many desert ghost combos. Is that compatible with orange ghost stuff?

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Desert ghost is a separate morph from hypos, so isn't compatible. It's another of those wonderful BP names that confuses everyone.

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so the ultramel is recessive? I have been looking at it a little more. The prices are scattered all over the place. Where did the originate from? Has BHB released the sunset for sale?

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Ultramel is recessive. BHB just proved out the sunset as being recessive this year, so it'll be awhile before it's for sale. I would like to see what the sunset looks like as an adult though since I can't seem to find any pics of the original sunset.

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Do you think that the ultramels will hold price like the pieds etc

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The ultramel is pretty sexy, but being more of a color mutation, and a recessive gene, it might not be too sought after. However, the color is really cool. Axanthics are strict color morphs, and they're not really expensive. The multiple lines probably helped get them produced faster. I think ultramel is also slowly heading in that direction. There's criders, ultramels, and monarchs. There might be a few others as well that we haven't seen yet. I saw outback reptiles selling a w/c one that wasn't proven. I like them, so I'll eventually get into them, but I don't think they're going to hold their price tags for very long. Not when they must compete with the multiple lines, and other, more powerful recessives.

Leopards are another good one! Pretty powerful pattern mutation, but they apparently have a super form. I believe it was Greg Graziani (correct me if I'm wrong) who showed a picture of a super leopard. I'd have to find that link lol. They'll probably end up being a staple pattern morph like the spiders and pinstripes :gj:. I like 'em a lot!

Super leopard? I thought it was leaning more twords them being a type of het pied.

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Super leopard? I thought it was leaning more twords them being a type of het pied.

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It looked like a pied, and the splotches of pattern looked different. I'll have to wait to get home. I have the picture he posted on my ipad lol. I know it was his picture because it was on a white background with the name of the morph in black text. He posted it saying that he produced a number of clutches (can't remember the number) from the same male, and produced at least only leopards, no normals. Wish I could find it :(....

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Okay, so I don't know if this is really a morph that is going to be taking off soon because it is fairly recent and I think there's only one guy with his hands on them but I think we'll be hearing a ton about Monarchs in the future regardless.

I mean, just look at them, how could we not be.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc...lwhmo1_500.jpg


Also then there are a few obvious ones like GHIs, Bananas, Ultramels, Arroyos/Rios, and Leopards as well as some of maybe the smaller time morphs that will probably start getting more attention soon like the already mentioned Spotnoses, Black heads, and Red Stripes. I've also felt like I've been hearing more about people getting into Sulfurs this year...

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man that thing is hot! I've never heard of this before right now!

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Do you know of any other sleepers I want to work with something that is not talked about as much or isnt given the credit. I saw the disco fire and thought it was awesome. Is there anything else like that. I have heard the disco gene a little bit but not much at all.

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I would say red axanthic for sure. its a sweet reccessive gene.:banana:

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Do you know of any other sleepers I want to work with something that is not talked about as much or isnt given the credit. I saw the disco fire and thought it was awesome. Is there anything else like that. I have heard the disco gene a little bit but not much at all.

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I would say red axanthic for sure. its a sweet reccessive gene.:banana:

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Do you know of any other sleepers I want to work with something that is not talked about as much or isnt given the credit. I saw the disco fire and thought it was awesome. Is there anything else like that. I have heard the disco gene a little bit but not much at all.

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I would say red axanthic for sure. its a sweet reccessive gene.:banana:

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Do you know of any other sleepers I want to work with something that is not talked about as much or isnt given the credit. I saw the disco fire and thought it was awesome. Is there anything else like that. I have heard the disco gene a little bit but not much at all.

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I would say red axanthic for sure. its a sweet reccessive gene.:banana:

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Do you know of any other sleepers I want to work with something that is not talked about as much or isnt given the credit. I saw the disco fire and thought it was awesome. Is there anything else like that. I have heard the disco gene a little bit but not much at all.

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I would say red axanthic for sure. its a sweet reccessive gene.:banana:

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Do you know of any other sleepers I want to work with something that is not talked about as much or isnt given the credit. I saw the disco fire and thought it was awesome. Is there anything else like that. I have heard the disco gene a little bit but not much at all.

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Do you know of any other sleepers I want to work with something that is not talked about as much or isnt given the credit. I saw the disco fire and thought it was awesome. Is there anything else like that. I have heard the disco gene a little bit but not much at all.

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I would say red axanthic for sure. its a sweet reccessive gene.:banana:

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It looked like a pied, and the splotches of pattern looked different. I'll have to wait to get home. I have the picture he posted on my ipad lol. I know it was his picture because it was on a white background with the name of the morph in black text. He posted it saying that he produced a number of clutches (can't remember the number) from the same male, and produced at least only leopards, no normals. Wish I could find it :(....

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I would really like to see a picture of that. I like the leopards but dont know what all they do and didnt know there was a super.

That monarch is awesome the one i have seen before either wasnt a monarch which is very possible or was just a weak one. I am not sure. I like that color to them it looks really cool!

The desert ghost is recessive correct?

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I would really like to see a picture of that. I like the leopards but dont know what all they do and didnt know there was a super.

That monarch is awesome the one i have seen before either wasnt a monarch which is very possible or was just a weak one. I am not sure. I like that color to them it looks really cool!

The desert ghost is recessive correct?

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Desert ghost is recessive.

Ah. I was looking in the wrong place :D.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...levant_count=1

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The ultramel is pretty sexy, but being more of a color mutation, and a recessive gene, it might not be too sought after. However, the color is really cool. Axanthics are strict color morphs, and they're not really expensive. The multiple lines probably helped get them produced faster. I think ultramel is also slowly heading in that direction. There's criders, ultramels, and monarchs. There might be a few others as well that we haven't seen yet. I saw outback reptiles selling a w/c one that wasn't proven. I like them, so I'll eventually get into them, but I don't think they're going to hold their price tags for very long. Not when they must compete with the multiple lines, and other, more powerful recessives.

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Monarch is a separate gene from the Ultramels and Criders. Visually it is quite different. I've seen most of the Monarchs in person. Though Ryan Young did prove that VPI's Burgandy Albino is essentially the same thing as Ultramel.

Orange Dream was the first thing that came to mind.
Sunsets will take a while for them to take off, but I think they will be a hot item in 5 or so years.
Ultramels already took off lol.

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Wait, so which would you choose?

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Monarch is a separate gene from the Ultramels and Criders. Visually it is quite different. I've seen most of the Monarchs in person. Though Ryan Young did prove that VPI's Burgandy Albino is essentially the same thing as Ultramel.

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Ah, forgot about the burgundy albino. Still, the point is that there are multiple morphs that do the same thing :P.

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Ultramels already took off lol.

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I've only seen like 3 or 4 ultramel combos so far :weirdface. I agree that OD is going to be taking off. Especially since it's co-dom. People will have a lot of those in stock. Seems like ODs have been worked into a ton of mutations already.

I vote for orange dream and leopard and their combos.

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Monarch is a separate gene from the Ultramels and Criders. Visually it is quite different. I've seen most of the Monarchs in person. Though Ryan Young did prove that VPI's Burgandy Albino is essentially the same thing as Ultramel.

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I was just about to point that one out. Really spectacular snakes though and I envy you for seeing them in person!

Personally I wouldn't count out recessive colour morphs to not explode since Albinos and Axanthics are everywhere despite that their prices have dropped a considerable amount since they first came into existence so you can assume that a lot of people think that they are genes that a very much worth producing. I really think that once Criders/Ultramels come down in price just a tad more, a lot of people would start grabbing them for their own projects.

As for Sunsets, those are definitely going to be the talk of the town in the years to come. I imagine some really crazy combos can come out of them.

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Ah, forgot about the burgundy albino. Still, the point is that there are multiple morphs that do the same thing :P.

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I'd personally disagree about Ultramels and co. doing the same thing as the Monarch. Yes, they're bright orange snakes but the contrast that's demonstrated in the Monarch is completely different in comparison and those purples its got going on there are too crazy, it's one of those colour mutations that can totally add some flare to even basic morphs that we've seen before. They've already got a Monarch Pastel Genetic Stripe that looks absolutely stunning.