Het pied markers.

I understand that het pied markers are in no way a definitive way to pick out hets but seeing all the pre-breeding-season commotion about hets has me remembering an old thought i had. When i first got my first ball python i got her from a local breeder. Theu said they were gonna raise her up but decided to sell her. She was around +-800 grams. Ive been looking at her and wondering what would make a "breeder " decide to raise up a normal girl? Now i could be getting caught up in the breeding fever but i think she shows some pretty good het markers (or what some believe are het markers).

My reasoning is that her origins and genetics were probably somewhat known as a possible het by the previous owner, hence the reason they contemplated raising her.

Overly optimistic or am i on to something here?

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...020_134756.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...020_134749.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...020_134744.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...115_151036.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...115_151016.jpg

Breed her to a Pied, only way to find out!

Only one way to know for sure.

Yea i know that. I was thinking about getting a 100% het male for her but im not sure if i wanna waste her on a bunch of normals and hets. Any input on the markers? Do theu resemble what people are looking for?

A het to pied is best !
Here's my girl but I have paper work on her
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...8033DD53D0.jpg

Those are good markers. I've never seen the black line veer off into the white belly space before like that, that's kinda wacky....

They're good markers, but no, they're not definitive. My proven het lavender albinos also have het pied markers. On the female the markers were so strong, I worried for years that I'd been sold the wrong kind of het. But she's never produced any pieds, just a visual lavender albino. And all of her babies ALSO have "het pied markers".... So who knows what those "markers" mean.

Het markers look good. If she came from a reputable breeder, you should be good. Good luck

Thanks guys. I don't think I'll ever be able to afford a pied but I might be willing to throw a male het with her to see how things go. At least to prove her out

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Originally Posted by Izzys Keeper

Thanks guys. I don't think I'll ever be able to afford a pied but I might be willing to throw a male het with her to see how things go. At least to prove her out

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Honestly, pieds are getting cheaper. Ive seen some around for $700. Just wait it out imo, I'd suggest breeding her to a visual.

I mean, theres a possibility that you may not hit a visual on the pairing for a year or two.

i dunno about markers. i got my pair off a guy i know.

here is some pics. they both have alot of orange in them.

male
http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/a...103_112105.jpg
http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/a...113_223538.jpg

female
http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/a...030_155942.jpg

She looks good, I would try it. I've proven three 25% chance and one 33% chance het pied girl held based on markers. However, I also had a pet store girl that looked a lot like yours not prove (but at least I got a well markered daughter breeding her to a 50% chance het male and the daughter was one of the 25% chance hets to prove).

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Originally Posted by KingPythons

A het to pied is best !
Here's my girl but I have paper work on her
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...8033DD53D0.jpg

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That is a great marker. People only seem to look for the "tracks". Notice anything else about that belly?

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

That is a great marker. People only seem to look for the "tracks". Notice anything else about that belly?

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Clear with lots of yellow/gold?

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

Clear with lots of yellow/gold?

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mine has just a little part of orange

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Originally Posted by annarose15

clear with lots of yellow/gold?

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bingo!!!!

I will only say "het pied markers" (to me)are worth a shot at proving if there is a known het somewhere up the family tree. The parents of this snake was a male double het albino pied bred to a possible het pied that didnt prove out. The mother laid 10 eggs and i popped them all and pulled out the females and stuck them in a pile. I went thru the females and took a look at the babies and checked their markers and bought this girl who has bred my double het albino pied about 4x now and u can say im hopeful she will prove at least for the pied gene Here is one that i am taking a shot at this year with. I only paid 20$ for her because he was selling the whole clutch to a pet shop ne ways so either way it will be fun
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k8...s/DSCN1192.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k8...s/DSCN1193.jpg

The markers may not be just for pied My het clown has train track marks just like that. She came from a visual male and het female. her pattern is just like a clown though, it is really amazing how much so but with normal colors. But her patterns are more gold than the brown of a normal.

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

Clear with lots of yellow/gold?

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Yes indeed! Close to 2/3 of her body. Im not sure if all het pieds have yellow markings on the bellys.
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...86CBBBA23D.jpg

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Originally Posted by KingPythons

Yes indeed! Close to 2/3 of her body. Im not sure if all het pieds have yellow markings on the bellys.
http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/a...86CBBBA23D.jpg

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That animal is an extreme in terms of the yellow. It is usually very subtle.