Big Guns

Well, aside from all the work going on with the snakes this year, I have decided that it was no better time than the current to finally put some ground behind me on my AR15 Build from a base AR. Here's what I got, here's what I did. So for all you Gun lovers out there (Sorry California!) here we go:

Base Model AR15: Windham Weaponry SRC 5.56

Stock Upgrades: Magpul ACS non-milspec w/ Enhanced buttpad, UTG QuadRail Pro, Magpul MIAD (MIssion ADaptable) Grip

Enhancements:Pmag 30rd Mags, Pmag Coupler, Pmag Ranger plate, Magpul BAD (Battery assisting device) Lever, 511 2 point Vtac Sling

Optics: Vortex VMX3 Swing to Side 3x Magnifier, EoTech XPS2-Z (Zombie Stopper), Magpul MBUS Gen2

Accuracy: 5 rounds @ 100yds 1/2" Grouping. Hornady Target rounds, FMJ 55g.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8048/8...40409afd_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8467/8...24d7d9c2_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8056/8...23307abe_c.jpg (Absolute Cowitness with and without Magnifier)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8184/8...3b023069_c.jpg (Magnified EoTech)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8464/8...16ed2990_c.jpg (Non-magnified EoTech)

And just for fun, my 9mm Walther I have setup for home defense. Mounted with a TLR-1 by Streamlight, and green trijicon night sights.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2301/5...eb025746_z.jpg


Cheers!

Nice! I would suggest though for home defense you should upgrade to something with real stopping power. Such as a .40 or .45. 9m is not much of a defense weapon. It doesn't have very much stopping power.

have an XDs .45 that I use as my carry weapon. The walther just always stays at home in a safe spot :-)

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

Nice! I would suggest though for home defense you should upgrade to something with real stopping power. Such as a .40 or .45. 9m is not much of a defense weapon. It doesn't have very much stopping power.

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I will respectfully disagree with you on this subject. 9mm has plenty stopping power, not to mention more rounds and easier follow up shots. I have converted all my pistols to 9mm. Considering I can afford to practice more often, my shot placement should be considerably better than some one with a .45 that never leaves the safe. Believe me when I tell you that a 9mm on target has much more stopping power than a .45 that missed. Most people who say 9mm lacks stopping power have probably never been shot by one. I am not bashing .45 or .40, they are great rounds, I am only defending 9mm.

I will also strongely disagree about 9mm not being enough.
Since I personally know the man from this article and work with him daily and a 9 is what he suggested and I bought for the wifes CW and home defense a few years ago.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/C...146467205.html

it's not the size that matters, it's the skill of the user. with the right skills even a small caliber would do the job. besides for home defense it doesn't take much to scare someone away.

22 is enough if you place the shot strategically and accurately. But yes 9mm is plenty. .40 is better and .45 is great but you need to be able to stay on target. I shoot about 50-100 rounds of .45 per trip to the range because I carry it so much. Better to be prepared.

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Originally Posted by reptileexperts

Well, aside from all the work going on with the snakes this year, I have decided that it was no better time than the current to finally put some ground behind me on my AR15 Build from a base AR. Here's what I got, here's what I did. So for all you Gun lovers out there (Sorry California!) here we go:

Base Model AR15: Windham Weaponry SRC 5.56

Stock Upgrades: Magpul ACS non-milspec w/ Enhanced buttpad, UTG QuadRail Pro, Magpul MIAD (MIssion ADaptable) Grip

Enhancements:Pmag 30rd Mags, Pmag Coupler, Pmag Ranger plate, Magpul BAD (Battery assisting device) Lever, 511 2 point Vtac Sling

Optics: Vortex VMX3 Swing to Side 3x Magnifier, EoTech XPS2-Z (Zombie Stopper), Magpul MBUS Gen2

Accuracy: 5 rounds @ 100yds 1/2" Grouping. Hornady Target rounds, FMJ 55g.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8048/8...40409afd_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8467/8...24d7d9c2_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8056/8...23307abe_c.jpg (Absolute Cowitness with and without Magnifier)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8184/8...3b023069_c.jpg (Magnified EoTech)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8464/8...16ed2990_c.jpg (Non-magnified EoTech)

And just for fun, my 9mm Walther I have setup for home defense. Mounted with a TLR-1 by Streamlight, and green trijicon night sights.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2301/5...eb025746_z.jpg


Cheers!

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Wow!! That is a beauty!!
I also use a 9mm for home defense. When I lived out in las Vegas It was also my carry weapon. Granted rounds were so cheap, I could afford to shoot 150-500 rounds weekly. I wouldn't be able to do that with .45acp. Having so much trigger time allowed me to hone in on shot placement. Either way... 9mm or .45acp center mass.... Both tend to stop whatever is coming at you.
My next pistol will be a Kimber 1911 tactical carry pro though.

Very cool stuff!

What do you mean sorry California? While there are some silly rules here, I still built a legal AR and I have other guns, so we are THAT oppressed :gj:.

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it's not the size that matters, it's the skill of the user. with the right skills even a small caliber would do the job. besides for home defense it doesn't take much to scare someone away.

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Skill of the shooter (unless you are a professional) generally disappears under real stress. So for home defense, a shotgun is likely the best bet. Other than that you should just be very proficient with whatever you have. Personally, I keep a Glock 9mm with the same light setup in my nightstand. I also have a 1911, but it does not have a light mount so the Glock is the go to gun.

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Very cool stuff!

What do you mean sorry California? While there are some silly rules here, I still built a legal AR and I have other guns, so we are THAT oppressed :gj:.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...7/IMGP2485.jpg




Skill of the shooter (unless you are a professional) generally disappears under real stress. So for home defense, a shotgun is likely the best bet. Other than that you should just be very proficient with whatever you have. Personally, I keep a Glock 9mm with the same light setup in my nightstand. I also have a 1911, but it does not have a light mount so the Glock is the go to gun.

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It should be "Sorry New Jersey"
Both of these AR's a way beyond illegal in NJ.
There are not adjustable stocks allowed, no flash suppressor, 15rd capacity, the list goes on. We are only allowed 2 "Evil Features" they consider a removable magazine an evil feature, and also the pistol grip..... Yea hoping to once again move out of this state I call home.

Nice AR Jinx. Did you do the coat yourself?

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It should be "Sorry New Jersey"
Both of these AR's a way beyond illegal in NJ.
There are not adjustable stocks allowed, no flash suppressor, 15rd capacity, the list goes on. We are only allowed 2 "Evil Features" they consider a removable magazine an evil feature, and also the pistol grip..... Yea hoping to once again move out of this state I call home.

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what exactly is the reasoning for adjustable stocks not being allowed? that's ridiculous.

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Nice AR Jinx. Did you do the coat yourself?

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Yes. It was done with Aervoe (sp) paint, which is like Krylon but much more durable.

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It should be "Sorry New Jersey"
Both of these AR's a way beyond illegal in NJ.
There are not adjustable stocks allowed, no flash suppressor, 15rd capacity, the list goes on. We are only allowed 2 "Evil Features" they consider a removable magazine an evil feature, and also the pistol grip..... Yea hoping to once again move out of this state I call home.

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It is TEN rounds max here and you have to use a tool to drop the magazine (bullet button), but no issues with the stock or grip in this format. You can have a detachable magazine if no pistol grip.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

Nice! I would suggest though for home defense you should upgrade to something with real stopping power. Such as a .40 or .45. 9m is not much of a defense weapon. It doesn't have very much stopping power.

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http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/05/sahy9e2u.jpg
My home defense :) 20 gauge with a choke that has a nice spray, if I'm feeling nice I have rock salt shot or good old bird shot if I'm feeling frisky. An AR is on the list of guns I want but I'm getting a 45 hand gun first

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Yes. It was done with Aervoe (sp) paint, which is like Krylon but much more durable.

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Great job on it, looks awesome!

One for the lefties! Modified stag arms L2 before
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k8...Photo-0006.jpg
after
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k8..._1719778_n.jpg
i sold her last year tho and i miss her dearly lol

Personally I go for the larger bores myself. I use a 40 Glock as a carry and a Springfield XD 45 for home defense. Everyone has their personal choice I just like the idea of making a bigger hole. Not to step on anyone's choice but the shotgun is really not a great home defense weapon. Granted it will stop anything but in close quarters it is hard to work with.

As for more rounds in the 9, how many do you need? Don't misunderstand I'm not knocking you but there is more than enough in my 40 or 45 for any home invasion. It only takes one or two to take out an intruder and even if you miss a couple of times there's still plenty left.

As someone else mentioned it's all about shot placement anyway with either weapon. Even the 38 Special will drop a man pretty quick.

Just my 2 cents worth.

I live in a trailer house that's kinda simple that's why I like my shotgun very thin walls and just on long hallway more or less an till I get my pistol at tax time it's my best choice for now I could use my black powder gun it's a fifty caliber magnum, but reload time is a big problem there. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/05/8umabe8e.jpg

Nice guns everyone. Not to kick a dead horse but back on the pistol subject...In reality the defenses people give for the 9mm are accurate and well put, but as a shooter I have a personal belief that to master a larger caliber handgun first is the way to go. Not only should it be done for the sake of mastering a skill, but doing it first will make the lower calibers feel more like toys which in turns gives you the mentality to learn them at more ease than working up through the calibers.

My next purchase for a pistol will likely be some make of 1911 in .40 cal or 45 ACP and then a revolver .44MAG....then maybe after that a nice 9mm like a beretta 9sf.

What I'm really trying to buy right now though is a introductory O/U shottie. the only one really in my price range is the new Mossberg Silver Reserve II's. The SR I got pretty badly mixed reviews sadly to say but it does happen with brand new gun lines from time to time and it was expected from a budget double barrel. That being said they have been noted to have fixed their problems, mainly firing pins breaking and have had decent reviews since after 08-09ish it seems. These new SR II recently hit the market in JULY and I can find squat on any kind of review on them. I emailed mossberg ackowledging their poor initial performace and they assure me the line has been doing well for them...

Then everyone says save for a B gun. Hah. I'll think about it depending on what price my gun guy can get me. The thing is he already got me a quote for the SR II field with ejectors for $610 out the door which is a steal imo for a introductory O/U with a full 5 sporting set choke, walnut stock and ejectors. silver engravings kinda corny but meh.

I mean it's probably no citori? it might be close? and I can buy a decent handgun or be close to one with the money I saved on not buying a B gun?

Ahhh decisions.

I am located in Cali so pistol shooting is what is more readily available compared to shotgun shooting but it is around.

Oh on another note I kinda don't prefer AR's. I think in terms in home defense shotguns and pistols would serve better in terms of functionality. And then distance shooting I prefer bolt action rifles, and if I were not in Cali than a PSG-1.

man! That is some sweet looking machinery. That's one thing I hate about Canada, it's very very difficult to own ANY firearms. Especially handguns.

Nice looking guns, both of you. A little heavy on some of the non-essentials/toys for my tastes but they look good, lol! Not knocking either one of them, to each their own just not what I would necessarily need or want. And what's an AR but a build-a-Barbie for guys?! Hahahahaha! I wouldn't trade my VTAC sling for anything. That thing is great and the single best accessory I put on my Rock River. Mine wears Dueck Defence co-witness iron sights that mount on the right quad rail at a 45 degree angle and an AimPoint Pro red dot with a 3x magnifier for barricaded subjects or moderate range work (I work in law enforcement, hence the barricaded person statement). The Dueck Defense sights are a little different. They don't flip down land are always up and ready. Tilt the gun on your shoulder in the event the optics fail, Murphy strikes and the batteries go or you go from range to CQB and don't have time to flip up your front and rear folding sights. Mine are zeroed at 50 meters and function just like normal irons; they just take a little getting used to but once you have it down, they're a snap. The MagPul magazines with the Ranger Tabs are excellent in terms of durability and ease of use and I buy them like my wife buys shoes, lol! I still carry a few of the standard GI mags on my tac vest but have more of the polymer mags than the steel. You have any issues with your double mags failing to seat a round properly? I know that was an issue some of our guys had with them, trying to carry two on the gun like that. Too much weight and the rounds weren't seating properly or failed to feed entirely. Same issue that's been noted with the SureFire 60 rounders on some guns.

As to the 9mm round. Carry the largest caliber round you can shoot accurately. To borrow a line from Springfield Armory: Bring enough gun. We carry .45's as our duty rounds and while they're an excellent round, they have drawbacks. Less carry capacity in terms of numbers of rounds, a tendency to frangible on a windshield if you shoot into a vehicle, at least with hollow point rounds, as well as the recoil being an issue for some of the personnel on my agency. My wife carries a 9mm Glock 26. She shoots it well, is comfortable with it and it suits her. I wouldn't push a .40, .45 or .500 S&W on her just because it's the latest and greatest or someone said it's the best for _________. Carry what you're comfortable with and what you can afford to train with. THAT matters more than the bore diameter or the numbers after the period prefix. Familiarity and unconscious competence with whatever weapon you entrust your life to, not the manufacturer or the caliber. Nice looking weapons and glad to see there are still people who support the 2nd Amendment, in spite of the idiotic leadership in some states.

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Personally I go for the larger bores myself. I use a 40 Glock as a carry and a Springfield XD 45 for home defense. Everyone has their personal choice I just like the idea of making a bigger hole. Not to step on anyone's choice but the shotgun is really not a great home defense weapon. Granted it will stop anything but in close quarters it is hard to work with.

As for more rounds in the 9, how many do you need? Don't misunderstand I'm not knocking you but there is more than enough in my 40 or 45 for any home invasion. It only takes one or two to take out an intruder and even if you miss a couple of times there's still plenty left.

As someone else mentioned it's all about shot placement anyway with either weapon. Even the 38 Special will drop a man pretty quick.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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I would respectfully disagree with that. If you're toting a 28 inch barreled upland bird or waterfowl gun, absolutely. A Remington 870 Junior Express Magnum, in 20 or 12 gauge persuasion, is a devastatingly lethal weapon at close range. Another thing to consider is what's on the other side of the drywall or plaster wall you're about to smear with the innards of the idiot that broke in. Most ball ammo, even in pistol calibers, will penetrate much farther than what will a shotgun pellet or even a .223 round, for that matter. Something to consider if it's your loved one on the other side of the wall you're shooting into and you whip out the trusty .40 or whatever caliber you carry.

And as to one or two rounds being sufficient, again, I would politely disagree with that. Most gunfights take place at a range of 7 yards or less and typically last 5-7 to seconds in duration. You get some idiot who's hopped up on meth/bath salts/take-your-pick-of-the-newest-chemical-melt-your-brain-cocktail-that's-being-brewed-drug and you shoot them once, you're going to be in a world of hurt in a hurry. Studies show it takes an average time span of 4.6 seconds to bleed out to the point of loss of consciousness leading to death from a single gunshot wound to center mass from a typical handgun round (.38 caliber to .45). I'm trained to shoot until the aggressive action ceases, not fire once and check things out or hope that all the Hollywood movies with the guys getting blown back twenty feet from a pistol shot to the chest were true to life. Pay the insurance and make sure if it comes down to having to use deadly force.

I don't have them handy at the moment but there are numerous articles and/or pictures (graphic, mind you) of subjects who engaged in shootouts with law enforcement. One that comes to mind the individual took 14 rounds of .40 S&W, all center mass, all "good" hits and was able to stay in the fight and kill two officers before being shot in the head by an arriving backup unit. Instant incapacitation through massive disruption of the central nervous system is the only guarantee. Anything else is luck of the draw as far as center mass hits being effective or not. Talk to a combat vet, if they're willing, coming back from Iraq. The enemy hopped up on adrenaline, soaking up 5.56 rounds in spades and staying in the fight until a head shot or other CNS hit was made to finally take them out. Just throwing it out there, take it or leave if as you will.

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what exactly is the reasoning for adjustable stocks not being allowed? that's ridiculous.

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I wonder the same thing. I guess if you have to use it, you shouldn't be comfortable doing so.....

I must admit that when I first saw the title of this thread I thought it was going to be about our favorite 3rd-person talker....the guy everyone loves to hate....Big Gunns. For those of you new to BP.net, I apologize for this thread derail.....but I highly recommend you do a search and read some of his posts. They are the most complete collection of nonsense and narcissism, but for some reason I always enjoyed reading them. It was kinda like a guilty pleasure.

Anyway.....sorry for the thread hijack. BleedingOrange, I am unfortunately in the same boat as you man. New Jersey gun laws are COMPLETELY asinine. Believe it or not, there are certain models of blackpowder rifles that NJ recently made illegal....because the have synthetic stocks! WTH is the reasoning behind that? My blackpowder rifle was on the list so I had to go shell out $500 for a new one.

As far as home defense, I use a Beretta 92fs 9mm and I also have a Mossberg 3 1/2" semi-auto in the closet in case my home is invaded by a large group of zombies.

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I wonder the same thing. I guess if you have to use it, you shouldn't be comfortable doing so.....

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I would imagine that the answer has a lot to do with people who don't truly understand guns writing the laws.

Yay guns.
I would love to get an AR someday. Also want to pick up a handgun but all my money is going to snakes right now.

Here is my HD / zombie blaster :)

590a1
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Hope you don't mind if I show mine off.. but here is my long gun. a .300 win mag
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...s/DSC_1604.jpg

and my side arm... it's .45 1911
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http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...9186AC8FEE.jpg

here it is with the new grips I got for fathers day.
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Just spent hours yesterday looking at some 300 AAC blackout AR platforms so that might be my next one.

That 1911 looks pretty cool.
I was looking at the 1911 Ruger has out. Also kinda like the Sig Sauer p250

Damn it, I need to focus on snakes

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man! That is some sweet looking machinery. That's one thing I hate about Canada, it's very very difficult to own ANY firearms. Especially handguns.

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Actually Chris its not.

I will be getting all of my gun licences right here soon.

And now non-restricted firearms do not have to be registered. Only bad thing about pistols is that you have to have a form to take them out side of your house.

and certain rifle have to have their mags pinned to 5 rounds.

I am going to be getting the ISSC MK22 .22 Rifle. Yes its a .22 (shoots .22LR's ) but it is a semi-auto AR and its mags are either 10 or 22 rounds. As far as I am concerned 10 or 22 .22 rounds could easily drop some one fast. Especially with how fast this gun can shoot.

That and there isnt really any restrictions on shot guns.

If you actually spend the time reading up on the rules and regulations its actually not that hard to own any firearm in Canada!

Pic of the mk22 I want

http://www.weapon-blog.com/wp-conten...K22_Desert.jpg

Here is the video on the MK22 - such a sweet gun!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BOWO70mpPI

Nice weapons! I use a 1911 for my bedside gun and keep a customized Saiga 12 guage close by if needed.

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That 1911 looks pretty cool.
I was looking at the 1911 Ruger has out. Also kinda like the Sig Sauer p250

Damn it, I need to focus on snakes

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Thanks it was a christmas present from my wife last year. ;)

I really like the 1911 platform but have the itch for a poly gun..

Agreed, there are a lot of places where regulations are just overbearing. I think I have 1 gun that is legal in California with all their regulations on high capacity mags, drop regulations, etc etc.

Those are some nice looking guns! While I put a good bit of bells and whistles on mine, it is set up for long range with quick change to close range (STS magnifier does this part excellent). It can be slightly heavy thanks to the al. quad rail, and the ACS stock, but well worth it for the balance and stability it offers.

Again with home defense a lot of people actual rec. shotgun, especially if you do not have enough time to get to the range and practice your pistol. As for as people reacting under stress and not being able to get a shot off, MOST of the time you do not need to even get a shot off, guns themselves provide a deterrent. You know why they never have their guns loaded in the movies? The sound of them loading is terrifying. However, in real life retrospect, you should always have it ready for action!

None the less, for sport or protection, we all have our 2nd amendment rights

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Actually Chris its not.

I will be getting all of my gun licences right here soon.

And now non-restricted firearms do not have to be registered. Only bad thing about pistols is that you have to have a form to take them out side of your house.

and certain rifle have to have their mags pinned to 5 rounds.

I am going to be getting the ISSC MK22 .22 Rifle. Yes its a .22 (shoots .22LR's ) but it is a semi-auto AR and its mags are either 10 or 22 rounds. As far as I am concerned 10 or 22 .22 rounds could easily drop some one fast. Especially with how fast this gun can shoot.

That and there isnt really any restrictions on shot guns.

If you actually spend the time reading up on the rules and regulations its actually not that hard to own any firearm in Canada!

Pic of the mk22 I want

http://www.weapon-blog.com/wp-conten...K22_Desert.jpg

Here is the video on the MK22 - such a sweet gun!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BOWO70mpPI

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As far as going with a non-standard AR for your first, I thought about going this route, was actually about to go pick up a Bushmaster (Remington) ACR. . . but after some discussion, I was highly urged to just go with a standard AR15 and then modify it as I can. AR15 is a tried and trusted base platform and you will always be able to find parts for even the smallest of things. Keep that in mind when you look at stuff like the Mk22 you may not be able to find parts quite as easy, thus taking your primary arms out of service.

Great weapons. I am a fan of my Springfield XDM 9mil. i shoot fiocchi 147 grain jhp out of it and it has more than enough power to make someone regret coming thru my door. it is my carry weapon. my fiance carries a ruger sr/22 as her carry weapon. As was said earlier it is not what u use its how accurate u are and under stress most people lose presence of mind to go thru proper controll for a follow up shot. i deployed to iraq in 2010 and even trained soldiers get giddy and miss a step when thier weapon jammed. But once again thank you for this post great to see firearm enthusiasts on here.

I do love the XD (use to carry an XD40, switched to a baby glock, then went the new XDs .45). My only issue has been the trigger, it's quite heavy for a defense carry IMO, but it does aid in allowing us to NOT pull the trigger ahead of time. My PPQ has a 1/10th trigger reset and a VERY light trigger pull. The XD seems to be about 6lb trigger pull with a lot of travel to get there. Good for some things I suppose, but I still love a smooth and light trigger.