Pearl Ball Python

I realize that i post a lot of stuff on here asking questions about genes but here I go again. So I heard that a woma x woma pairing is fatal because it produces the Pearl morph and that hg woma x hg woma isnt fatal. I thought that woma was a dominant morph not a co-dom with a super?

I believe it's the hg woman super that is the fatal pearl. I could be mistaken though. Definitely wouldn't be the first time!

Yeah thats what i originally thought too. But then I read an old thread on here from last year that said its the woma x woma crossing and it got me all confused :confusd:

Edit: Here is the link http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...rl-Ball-python

Male:	Hidden Gene Woma
Female:	Hidden Gene Woma
Percent	Fraction	Traits
25%	1/4	Pearl
50%	1/2	Hidden Gene Woma
25%	1/4	Normal
View Results Page

Male:	Woma
Female:	Woma
Percent	Fraction	Traits
25%	1/4	Homozygous Woma
50%	1/2	Woma
25%	1/4	Normal
View Results Page

Homozygous woma would be a woma that produces all woma's. Like a super, but just looks like a woma. No visual difference. (I think thats right lol)

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

Male:	Hidden Gene Woma
Female:	Hidden Gene Woma
Percent	Fraction	Traits
25%	1/4	Pearl
50%	1/2	Hidden Gene Woma
25%	1/4	Normal
View Results Page

Male:	Woma
Female:	Woma
Percent	Fraction	Traits
25%	1/4	Homozygous Woma
50%	1/2	Woma
25%	1/4	Normal
View Results Page

Homozygous woma would be a woma that produces all woma's. Like a super, but just looks like a woma. No visual difference. (I think thats right lol)

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Thank you that was very helpful :D i thought that was the case but when i came upon that thread it had me doubting myself ha!

The real question, is the HGW really a woma or something else?

Also, if you look at page 2 of that thread, they clarify it's the HGW x HGW that makes the pearl. It seems like most people just breezed over it, but you can see someone mention it, and then a few others agree and continue with HGW x HGW.

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Originally Posted by joebad976

The real question, is the HGW really a woma or something else?

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I fully believe the HGW is something else entirely, with a resemblance to the woma. But I'm a newb, so who the heck knows.

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Originally Posted by joebad976

The real question, is the HGW really a woma or something else?

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Well it is a woma because that what it is called, but it is not the same morph as the regular woma. It's very confusing until it is explained to you. I personally feel the HGW's name should be changed completely so to avoid confusion.

Woma and HG Woma are two different animals. They kinda look similar but they are two different genes that make then

HG Woma x HG Woma = Pearl
Woma x Woma = Pearl
HG Woma x Woma =Pearl (this is the first breeding Kevin ever did with the 2 import snakes)

Hidden Gene Woma And Woma are 2 different morphs just like lesser and Mojave but are most likely part of the same "group"... The combo's are completely different...

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Originally Posted by Amos1974

HG Woma x HG Woma = Pearl
Woma x Woma = Pearl
HG Woma x Woma =Pearl (this is the first breeding Kevin ever did with the 2 import snakes)

Hidden Gene Woma And Woma are 2 different morphs just like lesser and Mojave but are most likely part of the same "group"... The combo's are completely different...

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this is correct to the best of my knowledge. the HGW and 'normal' woma are entirely separate morphs, but any super form of either combination will produce pearls.

If hgw X woma makes a pearl then that would mean they are allelic, yes?

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

If hgw X woma makes a pearl then that would mean they are allelic, yes?

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that would make sense, but I've never worked with either morph.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

If hgw X woma makes a pearl then that would mean they are allelic, yes?

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Yes but we may never be able to prove it out because they don't live... Maybe the spider also belongs to this group with fatal supers??

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Originally Posted by Amos1974

Woma x Woma = Pearl
HG Woma x Woma =Pearl (this is the first breeding Kevin ever did with the 2 import snakes)

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first time I've ever heard either of these, have to ask kevin about these. thanks

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i thought the spider HGW were fine, or atleast the lived and were no more wobbly than a normal spider?

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

first time I've ever heard either of these, have to ask kevin about these.

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I believe Kevin in one of his past videos said hgw X woma makes a pearl, would be nice to get some more info on these genes.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

I believe Kevin in one of his past videos said hgw X woma makes a pearl, would be nice to get some more info on these genes.

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only thing I could find was kevin saying HGW litter mate (normal) x HGW could make a pearl. Most people called this another example of the nuller phenomenon.