Fire x Wild Type or so i thought .....

ill be honest im struggling a little to pin down what these are

the paring was a fire x normal so fires and normal should have been the out come but so far he has produced 2 similar clutches i bought him before his previous clutch hatched and saw the neonates at a meet

my thoughts are the fire is Possibly a fire-belly just not sure with the granite looking effects on some of them ?


the normal

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...ps69f4d423.jpg

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8b079623.jpg

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2b25185d.jpg


No 1
http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4cc8bfff.jpg

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7902fc51.jpg

No 2

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...ps399a0549.jpg

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6da5e41b.jpg

No 3

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...ps24905f96.jpg

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4db80d74.jpg

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...ps775b4168.jpg

No 4

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...ps526722d2.jpg

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7418c4ea.jpg



Group

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...psca6d7de4.jpg



Sire

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_3776.jpg

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_3777.jpg

Dame

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7f24e2c.jpg


what do you think ?

i see 4 fires and a normal. Nice odds!

Yep, that's what I'm seeing as well.

seems that way

just wondering what explains the granite markings 2 of them have

along with the YB markings

:weirdface:

No 3 is a good example

shattered pattern to sides of ventral scales , flames , granite dots in alien heads

or am i just loosing the plot

They can vary alot. Busier fires have wacky patterns sometimes and flames are a trait of fires so that normal.

You would know if you had a fire yb, theyre much brighter and have much more blushing.

Fires almost always have heavy speckling on the sides.

Pics of the Dam's belly would help rule out yb...

she was from a pastel x normal clutch

but ill get up pix later

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

They can vary alot. Busier fires have wacky patterns sometimes and flames are a trait of fires so that normal.

You would know if you had a fire yb, theyre much brighter and have much more blushing.

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cool beans ill just go with fires

probably the odds that threw me out i was expecting 1/2 at the out side 3 but to get 4 and a funky normal

shame they are all male ah well cant have it all i guess

No need for the dams belly pic, the male is a YB Fire. Hard to tell yet for sure, 3 and 4 I think are YB Fires, but I am unsure about 1 and 2.
Awesome clutch, congrats!

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

No need for the dams belly pic, the male is a YB Fire. Hard to tell yet for sure, 3 and 4 I think are YB Fires, but I am unsure about 1 and 2.
Awesome clutch, congrats!

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hmm well if thats so could explain why i keep thinking

2 fire something
2 YB
and an odd normal

when im looking at them

even to the point of getting my YB girlie's out to compare in the flesh
i must admit for a first clutch its been a bit of a head scratcher and i was only after a female fire lol

I'm not seeing YB anywhere in those :confusd: It's not unusual for fires to have that speckled granite like pattern. YB kicks in more flames and pattern change

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

No need for the dams belly pic, the male is a YB Fire.

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Hard to tell for sure but that makes sense...

im looking at her now and as much as i wish the grumpy old bag was a YB she defiantly isn't

so this is all down to the male

belly pic just to be sure

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_3780.jpg

THIS is a fire YB:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...R_WM_2copy.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...R_WM_1copy.jpg

There is usually not mixing them up with a regular Fire.

i would agree with there is generally no mixing it up but

while i dont see YB in the sire's belly
the dame certainly isnt so either he is a low expression YB

but yet its easily spot-able in the hatchies

so either its something they will shed out after a couple of sheds those pics were all taken after there first sheds

or there is something else at play and i just haven't put my finger on it yet

its a shame the original breeder of the fire didn't speak much English he was sold as " very good fire " in best dutch / German accent

either way this is the second clutch he has produced with the same results

and i have fingers crossed it was him that had her a clutch from a very bright pastel in the incubator as well with 3 days left on the clock

and no i haven't cut them yet :O

All ball pythons can vary quite a bit and not every morph follows the perfect "guideline" markers either. Not all YB's have that definitive belly pattern. YB's as well as Fires also have a huge range of looks. That being said all Fire YB's don't look the same.

Hatchling 1,2,3 and I am sure 4 all have the typical YB belly pattern.

just checked the eggs from what will hopefully be his next clutch

one of them left a window in and well i can see bright yellow through it so fingers crossed ill know what him + pastel will do depending on odds i guess lol
they all separate easy so another few days i reckon original estimate of the 26 is looking good

my first 2 clutches and ive ended up with head scratchers

sorry but ill probably be back for more help

mind you i have had john berry try and id a couple of my royals i have 1 which even he is unsure of showing signs of been gravid to my other pastel

as far as this clutch goes as they are all popping male i wont be keeping them well yes and no my misses is having 1 ( the little ringer ) and 1 has been reserved by the sires original owner

really just trying to figure out what the label the others as so i can sell them on and give people as much info as i can :)
i know crystal plaice reptiles over here is selling fire/YB's for £450 which seems way over priced to me and these look miles brighter than there site picks

but any way thanks for the help :)

this fire X nice pastel

interesting clutch for sure not had there first sheds yet but some pics any way

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...h/IMG_3790.jpg


http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...h/IMG_3791.jpg

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...h/IMG_3792.jpg


http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...h/IMG_3817.jpg

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...h/IMG_3816.jpg

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...h/IMG_3814.jpg

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...h/IMG_3820.jpg

over all im assuming 1 fire fly , 2 pastels , 1 normal , 1 more ringer didnt get pics forgot to take them of the last 2

still not sure why his clutches keep throwing ringers out guess ill wait for them to shed / get my light box set up for some clear'er pics

Awesome!

My friend has a really nice fire that looks a lot like your boy - he also sires some beautiful babies but there is definitely no yb in his genetics. Out of interest do you know the original breeder of your fire?

I'm not seeing the YB either.

Your sire reminds me a lot of my Fire - and he's "just a Fire" that I picked up from Justin Kobylka.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...9-16022022.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...9-16022056.jpg

only reason i think it may be YB is his previous offspring have all come out with YB markings on there bellies ie earlier in the thread and the same with his clutch last year

haven't got a clue all i know is he is apparently a regular at Ham (eu)

he's certainly a funky little bugger :) mostly just trying to figure out what might be causing the YB markers on the fires offspring might not be YB ill find out next season if im lucky my GT'ed YB girl is up for it


i was a little surprised at the lack of alien heads / banding / head markings thats going on with the firefly cant say ive noticed that in others ive seen again thinking it maybe YB as i know that can mix up a lot of pattern's


either way hes a keeper :)

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I'm not seeing the YB either.

Your sire reminds me a lot of my Fire - and he's "just a Fire" that I picked up from Justin Kobylka.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...9-16022022.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...9-16022056.jpg

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certainly does look similar :)

if they turn out not to be thats fine first year breeding so over all im happy thing have worked out and they have hatched with out issues