buyer beware "deserts"

i recently contacted a guy about getting some ball pythons and from what i can tell he tried to scam me into getting a female desert hatchling whitch he said he produced from his female desert. Now from what i have researched female deserts do not reproduce or at least not to live through it.
this is the email conversations
Me: could i have a picture of the female breeder normaland her weight please.Also how many eggs did she lay?Also what else do you have for females? thanks alot
Him:shes my first normal and she wasnt bred this year at all, shes 14-1500grams secondly is a hatchling desert female i got this summer from my desert female
Me:Female deserts cannot reproduce so it must just be a normal and was it 150 you were asking for the normal.
Him:SHES A DESERT ALRIGHT JUST LIKE MOMA
and then we go forth to argue as he calls me an amature and what not and hes been breeding since the 90s and whatnot. I remain as nice as possible stating he needs more research because either he is scamming me or someone scammed him when seeling him the female "desert". He gets very mad and whatnot
this is just a warning buyer beware when buying any animal and pay close attention to detail.

I would ask for pictures of "Moma" on eggs. That right there would be worth seeing. If he's got a reproducing female desert, he's got a little gold mine and isn't telling anyone about it. What is the breeders name? Maybe he meant desert ghost? Grasping at straws here :confusd: Glad you didn't get taken.

You do realize that a buyer beware without a name is pretty useless right?

sorry meant to put his name in it is steve sabattis and he showed me pics of the mom then the baby and im not 100 percent on desserts but they didnt look much more then a normal.

First, you have no proof he doesn't have a desert female that does produce.
Second, you can't say "buyer beware" unless you state something to "beware" of. There's no name to "beware of buyer" and there's varying opinions on the deserts still, even if overwhelming votes tend to go to "females are sterile".
Third, if you start calling someone a liar, you can't expect for the deal to go well. Stating that the guy was lying because you don't think a desert female can produce is a guarantee for him to get mad. I would have. If you are 100% convinced it can't happen, then don't mention it and just deal for the ones you do think are good. If you think the guy is scamming, just bow out and tell him you don't want to deal.

Just saying... calling some a liar with no proof is a great way to burn bridges. The attitude tends to follow people. He could be one of the only people with a producing desert... he could have been referring to a desert ghost... no telling.

Post that pic up!

i didnt stright up call him a liar i even asked where he got the mother because i was curious but he did not answer and asked him to look into it aswell before considering selling and to contact his breeder. I remained polite the entire time because i like to help people when i can . I tried to do this here because he is the first person who lives near me who also breed snakes so i planned on getting a few from him.

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Looks like a normal to me!

He said he had a "hatchling desert" out of his desert female. You stated "Female deserts cannot reproduce so it must just be a normal "

That, sir, is calling him a liar. You don't have to point a finger and yell LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE to call a person a liar.

The picture you posted doesn't really look like a desert to me, but I'm no expert and it's not a great picture.

In my opinion that hatchling in the picture could very well be a desert. It also looks like it is in shed in the picture so not as bright as normal.

i have contacted him since this thread and admited to him it is possible he has one of the only deserts that can succesfully reproduced but that i still did not feel comfortable buying it. Im not afraid to admit i was wrong to say it was impossible but it is highly unlikely.

My deserts were never offered for sale, and never will be unless they are crossed. so why wasn't the pic of the mother posted. I sent her several. She asked what I had that wasn't offered for sale , so I sent pics, stupid me. I refused to sell her anything. Flat out. And never will if I can remember her name. Id like to send out a harmless warning to a few other groups.Tread lightly

I'm confused. Are you saying that this desert female that laid eggs was yours?

There was never a pic posted anywhere of her or her offspring offered for sale at anytime, she's not paired this season. She's talking about the offspring. But I guess its about my adult female since my name was mentioned. I found this thread by accident on the net.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I'm confused. Are you saying that this desert female that laid eggs was yours?

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X2, I'm still confused...

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Originally Posted by sulcata

My deserts were never offered for sale, and never will be unless they are crossed. so why wasn't the pic of the mother posted. I sent her several. She asked what I had that wasn't offered for sale , so I sent pics, stupid me. I refused to sell her anything. Flat out. And never will if I can remember her name. Id like to send out a harmless warning to a few other groups.Tread lightly

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Originally Posted by sulcata

There was never a pic posted anywhere of her or her offspring offered for sale at anytime, she's not paired this season. She's talking about the offspring. But I guess its about my adult female since my name was mentioned. I found this thread by accident on the net.

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And you are?????????............Steve Sabattis
You are rambling so are you claiming you have a desert female that laid or not?
You dug this one out of "the grave" so we are all going to be aware of it now and again.

Yes that's me and I do have a producing female, but have never offered them for sale. She's a bit moody but her parts are all there and working. Very different disposition from any balls I have seen.

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Originally Posted by sulcata

Yes that's me and I do have a producing female, but have never offered them for sale. She's a bit moody but her parts are all there and working. Very different disposition from any balls I have seen.

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Do you have pics of her, I know you said you sent them to the OP, but they were never posted.

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I'm no expert by any means, but that's a normal. If it was hatched from a desert female, it might be het for desert, but it's definitely not a desert.

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I want to see a pic of the desert female that is producing...

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Originally Posted by sulcata

Yes that's me and I do have a producing female, but have never offered them for sale. She's a bit moody but her parts are all there and working. Very different disposition from any balls I have seen.

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I too would like to see pics and production proof.

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Originally Posted by patientz3ro

I'm no expert by any means, but that's a normal. If it was hatched from a desert female, it might be het for desert, but it's definitely not a desert.

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Desert isn't a recessive gene so no "het desert" is possible.
Desert ghost is recessive, but that's a completely different gene from desert and many people do confuse them due to the name.

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Originally Posted by jclaiborne

I want to see a pic of the desert female that is producing...

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I only referred to the hatchling as a het desert, so it is just offspring. I'm not opening up my collection to the public, I'd rather keep this to myself and this has gone way too far already. One heck of a fancy normal. The hatchling is no longer with me and resides in another location so it is no longer my place to discuss it. Ive got nothing else to share on this matter, it is what it is. Sharing info and pics is what started this in the first place.

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Originally Posted by sulcata

I only referred to the hatchling as a het desert, so it is just offspring. I'm not opening up my collection to the public, I'd rather keep this to myself and this has gone way too far already. One heck of a fancy normal. The hatchling is no longer with me and resides in another location so it is no longer my place to discuss it. Ive got nothing else to share on this matter, it is what it is. Sharing info and pics is what started this in the first place.

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Its a pet, and I will treat her as such, very unlikely I'll breed her again. She's about number 20 down the list. Not a concern of mine anytime soon in the near future

From everything I have read there is no such thing as a HET Desert. If you are not willing to backup your claims, especially when people tried to give you the benefit of the doubt then why did you come one here make an acct and post trying to defend yourself?

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Originally Posted by sulcata

I only referred to the hatchling as a het desert, so it is just offspring. I'm not opening up my collection to the public, I'd rather keep this to myself and this has gone way too far already. One heck of a fancy normal. The hatchling is no longer with me and resides in another location so it is no longer my place to discuss it. Ive got nothing else to share on this matter, it is what it is. Sharing info and pics is what started this in the first place.

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Seems to me like you are either confused about what you have as well as confused about genetics or misrepresenting animals. Which one is it?

There are Het desert ghost but no het desert so which one are we talking about?

Truth is YOU are the one that brought back a year old thread that had died , so if people are talking about it again it's because of you and now there is explaining to do since you don't even seem to know what YOU have.

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Originally Posted by sulcata

I only referred to the hatchling as a het desert, so it is just offspring. I'm not opening up my collection to the public, I'd rather keep this to myself and this has gone way too far already. One heck of a fancy normal. The hatchling is no longer with me and resides in another location so it is no longer my place to discuss it. Ive got nothing else to share on this matter, it is what it is. Sharing info and pics is what started this in the first place.

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You chose to join a public forum and only respond to this post. That in itself opened you to the public.;)
This response just seems WAY too shady of a response unless you don't know what you have.
So is it a Desert or a Desert Hypo/Ghost?
That can clear a lot up.

I didn't try to sell my desserts to somebody who has never seen one . that's my claim. Don't believe everything you read. Get your info first hand like me. I didn't bring my name into this, somebody else did. Its just another snake in 1 of 3 racks. I read about me online, its my right to look up my own name and find out who's sticking a blade in my back. enough is enough

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Originally Posted by sulcata

I didn't try to sell my desserts to somebody who has never seen one . that's my claim. Don't believe everything you read. Get your info first hand like me. I didn't bring my name into this, somebody else did. Its just another snake in 1 of 3 racks. I read about me online, its my right to look up my own name and find out who's sticking a blade in my back. enough is enough

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Condescending much? You give the impression you think we are stupid here, I have plenty of first hand information on the desert gene, many of us here do. I do know that dessert has a visual heterozygous form, which your flash washed hand photo doesn't look like one at all. So stop talking like we are stupid when you are the one with conflicting information or at the very least explain yourself in a way that makes sense with the current conversation. Also, if what you say is true, shouldn't you be sharing your first hand information or do you continue to beat around the bush in jumbled words and unsupported claims.

I'm also sorry you think so little of a snake just because it is "one of many"

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I didn't try to sell my desserts to somebody who has never seen one . that's my claim. Don't believe everything you read. Get your info first hand like me. I didn't bring my name into this, somebody else did. Its just another snake in 1 of 3 racks. I read about me online, its my right to look up my own name and find out who's sticking a blade in my back. enough is enough

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Yes it is your right to look yourself up online, no one is saying that it isn't, what we are saying is that you saw something about yourself and it frustrated you so you adressed it, all fine and well...what we are all asking is did you claim to have a desert female that produced? We are all curious because all the info states that its not possible. It's as simple as that, the OP isn't even involved in this thread anymore. Can you at least answer the question at hand?

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

You chose to join a public forum and only respond to this post. That in itself opened you to the public.;)
This response just seems WAY too shady of a response unless you don't know what you have.
So is it a Desert or a Desert Hypo/Ghost?
That can clear a lot up.

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Originally Posted by sulcata

I didn't try to sell my desserts to somebody who has never seen one . that's my claim. Don't believe everything you read. Get your info first hand like me. I didn't bring my name into this, somebody else did. Its just another snake in 1 of 3 racks. I read about me online, its my right to look up my own name and find out who's sticking a blade in my back. enough is enough

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Ohhhhhh, I can clear up the whole misunderstanding. Sulcata is selling DESSERTS. I would also like to offer some delicious desserts for sale. My homemade cookies are especially good. :D

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Originally Posted by Libby

Ohhhhhh, I can clear up the whole misunderstanding. Sulcata is selling DESSERTS. I would also like to offer some delicious desserts for sale. My homemade cookies are especially good. :D

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No thanks. He's probably using carob in his chocolate chip cookies instead of real chocolate.

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Keep it on topic people.

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Originally Posted by sulcata

I only referred to the hatchling as a het desert, so it is just offspring. I'm not opening up my collection to the public, I'd rather keep this to myself and this has gone way too far already. One heck of a fancy normal. The hatchling is no longer with me and resides in another location so it is no longer my place to discuss it. Ive got nothing else to share on this matter, it is what it is. Sharing info and pics is what started this in the first place.

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Originally Posted by sulcata

Its a pet, and I will treat her as such, very unlikely I'll breed her again. She's about number 20 down the list. Not a concern of mine anytime soon in the near future

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The word Clown comes to mind.
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