I've made my choice for a CAGE

What one should I get for a baby ball?

http://lllreptile.com/store/catalog/...ages-and-tubs/

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Oh and how long should it live in it before i get a bigger cage? Or what should I get just so it can grown and live in for the rest of it's life?

I'd personally just pick up a 15qt/28qt tub from Walmart ($6) and get some binder clips, UTH or flexwatt with a thermostat, a digital thermometer, water bowl, some hides and fake plants and call it good. You could upgrade down the road or start out with a 34/41 qt which are common for adult BPs and really clutter it so the baby feels secure.

I have a 2x2x4 (different brand) enclosure for a full grown female pet ball and while it the display type I want if I was getting a baby, I would start with a tub/uth setup.

If you were to go with Animal Plastics, you could purchase a t8. It will be fine for an adult Bp.

You could also purchase the divider and section off the cage into a smaller size until your baby becomes an adult.

I see some models allow for a heating pad which is a must, but with these enclosures particular, do they just adhere to the bottom? Seems the the cage would be too thick to allow a UTH on the bottom based on pictures.

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I see some models allow for a heating pad which is a must, but with these enclosures particular, do they just adhere to the bottom? Seems the the cage would be too thick to allow a UTH on the bottom based on pictures.

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LOL I know they do look super thick

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I'd personally just pick up a 15qt/28qt tub from Walmart ($6) and get some binder clips, UTH or flexwatt with a thermostat, a digital thermometer, water bowl, some hides and fake plants and call it good. You could upgrade down the road or start out with a 34/41 qt which are common for adult BPs and really clutter it so the baby feels secure.

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I know..but I would also like to just look at it from time to time without having to take off the lid. I guess glass displays attract me more.

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Thoughts? I see Ebay has used ones...


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Reptile-Cage...item1c2c47cf15

Now this one looks pretty good..I just want something I can have for a BABy BP that can grow up to an adult and have it in. I can buy dividers it's its too big...but this right here also looks nice. What are your thoughts?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/22-GALLON-DE...item20c52d4baa

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Now this one looks pretty good..I just want something I can have for a BABy BP that can grow up to an adult and have it in. I can buy dividers it's its too big...but this right here also looks nice. What are your thoughts?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/22-GALLON-DE...item20c52d4baa

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I wouldnt get that. I would just go to wally world and get yourself a 28qt or 32qt tub. If youre deadset on an enclosure id get a T8 from animal plastics and buy the divider for it as well and just remove the divider when the snake is large enough.

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I know..but I would also like to just look at it from time to time without having to take off the lid. I guess glass displays attract me more

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Then I suggest getting a PVC cage. They are perfect to house balls. They are great to look at and easy to maintain husbandry. What's best for you isn't always best for the animal. Ball pythons don't do very well in glass enclosures without a huge effort on your part.

And if you're dead set on a tall display enclosure to look in that is not as expensive as a PVC cage, then I suggest getting a taller tub that has similar dimensions as the glass enclosure. But just to let you know, ball pythons are awful display animals. Looking into the cage will be pointless because if your husbandry is correct, your snake will be hiding in it's hide 90% of the time.

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Personally I would get the 211 24x22x14 I own one it is great. A small ball will need lots of plants and such to feel secure but that isn't very difficult to do. I own one and friends own a few a great enclosure. they heat efficiently as it is PP and is super easy to clean due to the roto moulding method it has all rounded corners. Easier in many ways than PVCx it does tend to sag a but I support the middle with a extra foot so that isn't a problem.

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Then I suggest getting a PVC cage. They are perfect to house balls. They are great to look at and easy to maintain husbandry. What's best for you isn't always best for the animal. Ball pythons don't do very well in glass enclosures without a huge effort on your part.

And if you're dead set on a tall display enclosure to look in that is not as expensive as a PVC cage, then I suggest getting a taller tub that has similar dimensions as the glass enclosure. But just to let you know, ball pythons are awful display animals. Looking into the cage will be pointless because if your husbandry is correct, your snake will be hiding in it's hide 90% of the time.

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so what size specs do i look for?

I really like enclosures to be 14 high higher are problems to heat lower are harder to clean. The guy I have ordered pvcx enclosures from make 14 and 12s the 12s are harder to clean (I own both) I prefer the vision to them all but shipping to canada is hugely expensive (90$ for the 211) I feel the roto is superior to the pvcx enclosures it is much harder and more sturdy the expanded pvc is harder to heat through the floor. I have abandoned the commercial ones and build using pvcx and full pvc floors for this reason it is cheaper to run by a fair bit.

thats nice!

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Personally I would get the 211 24x22x14 I own one it is great. A small ball will need lots of plants and such to feel secure but that isn't very difficult to do. I own one and friends own a few a great enclosure. they heat efficiently as it is PP and is super easy to clean due to the roto moulding method it has all rounded corners. Easier in many ways than PVCx it does tend to sag a but I support the middle with a extra foot so that isn't a problem.

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I really like enclosures to be 14 high higher are problems to heat lower are harder to clean. The guy I have ordered pvcx enclosures from make 14 and 12s the 12s are harder to clean (I own both) I prefer the vision to them all but shipping to canada is hugely expensive (90$ for the 211) I feel the roto is superior to the pvcx enclosures it is much harder and more sturdy the expanded pvc is harder to heat through the floor. I have abandoned the commercial ones and build using pvcx and full pvc floors for this reason it is cheaper to run by a fair bit.

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post links to this 211...i never heard of it.

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did you see these?

http://www.dragons4you.net/Cages.html

anybody else?

http://www.animalplastics.com/ Someone told me to get the t8. Thoughts?

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http://www.animalplastics.com/ Someone told me to get the t8. Thoughts?

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They're great. They're also the PVC cages everyone is mentioning.

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Animal Plastics is not your only option, when shopping for PVC and plastic caging:

Here are all of the cage manufacturers that I know of...

http://www.boamaster.com/

http://www.boaphileplastics.com/cages.html

http://www.animalplastics.com/

http://www.repti-racks.com/index.php...&id=1&Itemid=1

http://www.pvccages.com/new/?page_id...&product_id=49

http://www.constrictorsnw.com/cagess...ssiccages.html

http://www.visionproducts.us/htm7/cages.html

http://npicages.com/index.html

http://www.showcasecages.com/

http://www.cagesbydesign.com/t-majesticreptile.aspx

http://www.sentecreptilecages.com/

http://powerhousedisplays.weebly.com/

http://monster-cages.com/custom-gallery.php

http://www.jworlds.net/units.html

http://www.lstplastics.com/

Hope this helps...

http://www.visionproducts.us/htm7/cages.html

vision model 211.

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http://www.visionproducts.us/htm7/cages.html

vision model 211.

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is that what you have?

Yes I have two visions, a sly plastics (http://www.slyplastics.com/en/index.html) and two side turned tanks as well as a ap rack and two custom build and designed enclosures.

This is the corner of my vision enclosure.

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The visions have rounded corners and it is moulded in a single piece. The PVCx enclosures are 3 or more separate pieces glued together they meet at a hard corner it is harder to clean.

My pvcx enclosure.

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Thanks!!!

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This is the corner of my vision enclosure.

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The visions have rounded corners and it is moulded in a single piece. The PVCx enclosures are 3 or more separate pieces glued together they meet at a hard corner it is harder to clean.

My pvcx enclosure.

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really?

yup, the vision is way easier to clean. In the end however it makes no difference really tank tub rack enclosure brand, as long as you can maintain the correct temps and basic humidity with enough security for the animal and it is feeding and doing its snakey things as it should it doesn't matter at all. Each have advantages and disadvantages and as I own and maintain all of the above I can say with knowledge and experience that they all can work and I have no dead clean preference of this one is best. Not one is perfect and weighing all the issues and advantages there is no easy answer to which one I like the most or least.

Just wanted to note that while the cages may LOOK thick, the vision cages actually conduct the heat from a heat pad extremely well. We use them in all of our retail stores, and heat pads are the only source of heat for our display V211s. In the store I manage, we start many of our baby to juvenile balls in the V211s, and they do fantastic as long as they have enough hiding places. I highly recommend lots of cork flats in combination with the plants, the combination of foliage and hiding places under the wood works well.

-Jen

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Just wanted to note that while the cages may LOOK thick, the vision cages actually conduct the heat from a heat pad extremely well. We use them in all of our retail stores, and heat pads are the only source of heat for our display V211s. In the store I manage, we start many of our baby to juvenile balls in the V211s, and they do fantastic as long as they have enough hiding places. I highly recommend lots of cork flats in combination with the plants, the combination of foliage and hiding places under the wood works well.

-Jen

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what UTH do you all use for these type enclosures?

I would recommend a vision 211 as well for a ball python. I have 4 of them for some of my collection that I want more secure from the racks. I use this style for UTH: http://www.reptilebasics.com/ultrath...ter-uth-11-x11
I also have several other vision tanks for some of my boas, Retic and burm. They have limitations as far as stacking and warping in the larger models but I just built a rack for mine that took care of the problems. The smaller ones are solid and you could easily stack 4 or more if you decided later on!
I have nothing against any other tanks, I have just come across mine used on craigslist.

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I would recommend a vision 211 as well for a ball python. I have 4 of them for some of my collection that I want more secure from the racks. I use this style for UTH: http://www.reptilebasics.com/ultrath...ter-uth-11-x11
I also have several other vision tanks for some of my boas, Retic and burm. They have limitations as far as stacking and warping in the larger models but I just built a rack for mine that took care of the problems. The smaller ones are solid and you could easily stack 4 or more if you decided later on!
I have nothing against any other tanks, I have just come across mine used on craigslist.

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Up to what age can they live in the v211?

I would say for life, unless they turn out to be one of the monsters.

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I would say for life, unless they turn out to be one of the monsters.

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really? I assumed the bigger the cage the better....

Nope, not for a BP. It's kind of common knowledge on this forum that to much space will stress a BP. You just need appropriate space for the hot and cool sides/hides and a water dish. If it concerns you, there is a vision with a little more floor space for the same price. It is the 221. Only down side of that one is the lack of a spot for a light fixture. I have seen them with LED strip installed for display purposes. I have a couple of these ones as well. I prefer them because I don't use light anyway.

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Nope, not for a BP. It's kind of common knowledge on this forum that to much space will stress a BP. You just need appropriate space for the hot and cool sides/hides and a water dish. If it concerns you, there is a vision with a little more floor space for the same price. It is the 221. Only down side of that one is the lack of a spot for a light fixture. I have seen them with LED strip installed for display purposes. I have a couple of these ones as well. I prefer them because I don't use light anyway.

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Of course! Can I see pics of yours?

I agree the 211 is a good size for most male royals for life and many females some really large ones look quite cramped in such a small space (I have a 3700 gm 6'6" female that I would say it is too small) but I currently have a 1700 gm male in mine. All my other females I would not hesitate to place in it. I really like the little extra height the 2 inches over 12 make the front opening 12 or so and it is easier to reach inside for cleaning. I would not own any other brand if it wasn't so costly to get it to Canada.

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I agree the 211 is a good size for most male royals for life and many females some really large ones look quite cramped in such a small space (I have a 3700 gm 6'6" female that I would say it is too small) but I currently have a 1700 gm male in mine. All my other females I would not hesitate to place in it. I really like the little extra height the 2 inches over 12 make the front opening 12 or so and it is easier to reach inside for cleaning. I would not own any other brand if it wasn't so costly to get it to Canada.

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any images of your set up? what type of uth should i get also, what king of ight could I add to watch it from time to time?

On the 211, there is a "vent" opening that the small exo terra light fixture fits in nicely. http://lllreptile.com/store/catalog/...ium-canopy-12/

You could also figure out any number of things to light it.

UTH: http://www.reptilebasics.com/ultrath...ter-uth-11-x11

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On the 211, there is a "vent" opening that the small exo terra light fixture fits in nicely. http://lllreptile.com/store/catalog/...ium-canopy-12/

You could also figure out any number of things to light it.

UTH: http://www.reptilebasics.com/ultrath...ter-uth-11-x11

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jusy on the 211? I guess ill be ordering the 211 with in a coupld of weeks Thanks!

The 211 is the only one with a vent that a light can fit in. The 221 doesnt have a vent.

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The 211 is the only one with a vent that a light can fit in. The 221 doesnt have a vent.

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well how about from other companies? can't people install light fixtures themselves?

no typically it is an option.

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Great!

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no typically it is an option.

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We use the ZooMed Under Tank Heaters for our vision cages - literally for every single one in the store, so we use dozens of them in each location. They stick right on the bottom and the way the cages are built, there's enough space between them to allow for heat to escape as needed.

My only warning is not to put the heat pad directly under where a basking light may be (if you get a larger model that allows for a basking light). The combination of the basking light and heat pad in the same area can cause the cage to warp pretty bad.

-Jen

http://www.dragons4you.net/Cages.html

34 1/2 L x 14W x 12H
$145.00 Shipped
Ball Python Cage


Thoughts? I have enough money now to order something.

I would really suggest the 14 tall one and I again would point out the hard corners the visions have a distinct advantage in cleaning over all the slab built plastics. It really looks like the top and bottom are at least 2 inches maybe 2.5 that makes the opening 12-4=8 or maybe 12-5=7! this is a very small opening to work inside of the opening on a vision 211 is 9.5 inches tall. & inches is not very large and it makes cleaning and adding substrate interesting sometimes it is absolutely harder than the taller enclosures so my advise is go taller to the 14 that makes the opening that much larger and it easier to maintain with no function differences to the extra 4 inches.

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My 12 inch PVCx enclosure (24x24x12) is only 7.5 inch tall opening I wish I had spent the extra for the 14. I regret it a lot.

What do you guys thing of this? Could a BABY Bp live in this until adult size?

http://www.npicages.com/s24t_24_stan...tile_cage.html

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I would really suggest the 14 tall one and I again would point out the hard corners the visions have a distinct advantage in cleaning over all the slab built plastics. It really looks like the top and bottom are at least 2 inches maybe 2.5 that makes the opening 12-4=8 or maybe 12-5=7! this is a very small opening to work inside of the opening on a vision 211 is 9.5 inches tall. & inches is not very large and it makes cleaning and adding substrate interesting sometimes it is absolutely harder than the taller enclosures so my advise is go taller to the 14 that makes the opening that much larger and it easier to maintain with no function differences to the extra 4 inches.

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My 12 inch PVCx enclosure (24x24x12) is only 7.5 inch tall opening I wish I had spent the extra for the 14. I regret it a lot.

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wait so the vision 211 isn't 14?

Just buy a southland herp habitat. They are cheap and are okay for display. I keep my BP in one and she is as happy as a clam. Just make sure you have proper husbandry.:snake:

Honestly if your dead set on a display type cage, get a display type animal which Ball Python's are not. Get a Green Tree Python, or Amazon Tree Boa, even some cool colubrids like Rhino Rat snakes etc. All the ball python is going to do is hide regardless, your not going to walk by and see him sitting out unless your not providing a hide obviously. Ball Python's do better in tubs in racks for the simple reason it's small confined and usually dark in the rack for most breeder's and advanced keeper's. I suggest yet again like a lot of others have already is to buy a 12qt-28qt tub from Walmart and get a heat mat and zoo-med thermostat for like $50-$60 That's all you need besides a water bowl, hide, and substrate which ever you choose.

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Just buy a southland herp habitat. They are cheap and are okay for display. I keep my BP in one and she is as happy as a clam. Just make sure you have proper husbandry.:snake:

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any pics?

No the 211 is a 14 the other one you posted is a 12 they however make a 14 version.

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Ball Python's do better in tubs in racks for the simple reason it's small confined and usually dark in the rack for most breeder's and advanced keeper's. I suggest yet again like a lot of others have already is to buy a 12qt-28qt tub from Walmart and get a heat mat and zoo-med thermostat for like $50-$60 That's all you need besides a water bowl, hide, and substrate which ever you choose.

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This works if you are able to keep a room at 80 degrees

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Just buy a southland herp habitat. They are cheap and are okay for display. I keep my BP in one and she is as happy as a clam. Just make sure you have proper husbandry.:snake:

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pics?