blue eyed lucy x normal

i have a blue eyed lucy and i want to breed it with a normal ball. what types of babys are possible? the bel is lesser/mojave. will all babies be either lesser/mojave? is it possible to have a baby bel? please give me a list of all the possible babies i can have. i am new to the forums and this is my first post.

Just Lessers and Mojaves.

how much are lessers and mojaves worth? can i have fancy lessers and mojaves or just regular?

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Originally Posted by ctestdummy

how much are lessers and mojaves worth? can i have fancy lessers and mojaves or just regular?

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You mean fancy like when Petsmart/Petco labels animals fancy?

I suggest you read this thread: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...Basic-Genetics

These might not be a bad idea either:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ius)-Caresheet

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...t-Thermometers

what is a fancy lesser or mojave?

Around $100 to $300 depending on sex, quality, etc...

i am new to this. i mean arent there different types of lessers and mojaves?

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Originally Posted by ctestdummy

i am new to this. i mean arent there different types of lessers and mojaves?

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No...They are other Lesser and Mojave Combos...You won't get them from breeding to a Normal though...

Lesser and mojave are Ball Pythons with specific genes. There aren't any sub categories.

This is a great tool to use to figure out genetic outcomes

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

A Lucy is s super form of the Platinum complex (Mojaves, Lessers, Butters, Russo). You breed to a normal you will just get Lesser's & Mojaves. The BEL is worth more than either one. You would be better off breeding it to another Lesser or Mojave. At least that way you would have a chance to get more BEL's.

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Originally Posted by hitman3303

This is a great tool to use to figure out genetic outcomes

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

A Lucy is s super form of the Platinum complex (Mojaves, Lessers, Butters, Russo). You breed to a normal you will just get Lesser's & Mojaves. The BEL is worth more than either one. You would be better off breeding it to another Lesser or Mojave. At least that way you would have a chance to get more BEL's.

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I was going to suggest the same site. Love playing around with the wizard and the pictures are great.

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You would be better off breeding it to another Lesser or Mojave. At least that way you would have a chance to get more BEL's.

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Breeding a mojave/lesser BEL X a Lesser or a mojave is not smart.
How will you know which combo the BEL you make is?
Mojave/Lesser BEL's can look as white as a lesser/lesser combo BEL, so what do you tell the potential buyer the snake is if you can't tell.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Breeding a mojave/lesser BEL X a Lesser or a mojave is not smart.
How will you know which combo the BEL you make is?
Mojave/Lesser BEL's can look as white as a lesser/lesser combo BEL, so what do you tell the potential buyer the snake is if you can't tell.

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So what would you suggest?

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Originally Posted by ctestdummy

how much are lessers and mojaves worth? can i have fancy lessers and mojaves or just regular?

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It sounds like, and i cant believe nobody has said such yet as I am even often surprised at how quick some are persecuted by some around here. Please forgive me I am not trying to harp on you for being an amateur, i would however like to suggest possibly doing a little more research before making a decision to breed any type of animals. Breeding snakes is a fun but sometimes tedious process, and although it can definetly be done for the joy or to obtain that special morph just cant get your hands on, and a lot of times to make a living, nothing about this post or thread for that matter suggests your representing any of the positive aspects of breeding that we all enjoy.

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Originally Posted by hitman3303

So what would you suggest?

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I don't see why you couldn't breed a lesser/mojo BEL to a mojo, since super mojaves have distinctly different heads than lesser/mojo BELs.

And I second the concern to the OP to do some more research on BPs before deciding to breed.

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Originally Posted by hitman3303

So what would you suggest?

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Personally, I would suggest anything thats not part of the BEL complex including normals. I think a BEL is a great morph to breed if you already have a female normal. Getting a clutch from a normal that is 100% morphs would be great!

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Breeding a mojave/lesser BEL X a Lesser or a mojave is not smart.
How will you know which combo the BEL you make is?
Mojave/Lesser BEL's can look as white as a lesser/lesser combo BEL, so what do you tell the potential buyer the snake is if you can't tell.

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I agree its just like lesser x butter Lucys. There really is no way to tell.

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

I don't see why you couldn't breed a lesser/mojo BEL to a mojo, since super mojaves have distinctly different heads than lesser/mojo BELs.

And I second the concern to the OP to do some more research on BPs before deciding to breed.

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I wasn't the the person who posted the original thread. My question "what do you suggest"? was asked because he stated it was not smart to breed a BEL back to a mojave or Lesser so I wanted him to explain. Your response was actually my thoughts so I was wondering where it got that it wasn't smart.

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Originally Posted by hitman3303

I wasn't the the person who posted the original thread. My question "what do you suggest"? was asked because he stated it was not smart to breed a BEL back to a mojave or Lesser so I wanted him to explain. Your response was actually my thoughts so I was wondering where it got that it wasn't smart.

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I know. I was offering my suggestion. :) I do agree that breeding to a lesser would be far too likely to produce unidentifiable lucys.

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

I know. I was offering my suggestion. :) I do agree that breeding to a lesser would be far too likely to produce unidentifiable lucys.

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So what is the best use of a breeding BEL?

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Originally Posted by hitman3303

So what exactly do you do with a BEL if you have one? Just breed them back to normals? It seems like they're more trophy's in a collection than anything else.

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If I had a BEL, it would be breeding anything and everything but lesser/butter/mojave. I think just about any lesser combo is gorgeous, and mojave does some awesome things with darker morphs. Normals certainly don't hurt, either, since you would get zero normals in the clutch.

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Originally Posted by hitman3303

So what exactly do you do with a BEL if you have one? Just breed them back to normals? It seems like they're more trophy's in a collection than anything else.

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Personally, I would l breed it to recessive genes. Then you would get all morph 100% hets.

And breeding a BEL to any other non BEL complex snake is great too. They have a lot of breeding power. Especially if a female.



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Originally Posted by MaxT815

It sounds like, and i cant believe nobody has said such yet as I am even often surprised at how quick some are persecuted by some around here. Please forgive me I am not trying to harp on you for being an amateur, i would however like to suggest possibly doing a little more research before making a decision to breed any type of animals. Breeding snakes is a fun but sometimes tedious process, and although it can definetly be done for the joy or to obtain that special morph just cant get your hands on, and a lot of times to make a living, nothing about this post or thread for that matter suggests your representing any of the positive aspects of breeding that we all enjoy.

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the only thing i am amateur at is what morphs make what. i am having no problem breeding my 2 normals. you are assuming that i dont know how to breed. did i say "hey guys how do i breed?" no. i enjoy snakes, thats why im here. nuff said.

I recant my earlier statement, I know not what I was thinking earlier.

A mojave/lesser to either a lesser or a mojave should be distinguishable, my bad :oops:

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Originally Posted by ctestdummy

the only thing i am amateur at is what morphs make what. i am having no problem breeding my 2 normals. you are assuming that i dont know how to breed. did i say "hey guys how do i breed?" no. i enjoy snakes, thats why im here. nuff said.

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I stand corrected. Good luck with your breeding plans. They sound exciting.