male pastel doesn't want to breed

I have a male pastel over 2k grams and he doesn't want to breed. Every time i try putting him with a female he starts flailing his body against the lid and then he tries to smash all the females. He also isn't eating and had refused food the last five or six feedings. Also, all the females have been popped by me and two other people, so they are females lol. Any suggestions on what might be the problem?

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Originally Posted by CBconstrictors

I have a male pastel over 2k grams and he doesn't want to breed. Every time i try putting him with a female he starts flailing his body against the lid and then he tries to smash all the females. He also isn't eating and had refused food the last five or six feedings. Also, all the females have been popped by me and two other people, so they are females lol. Any suggestions on what might be the problem?

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Sounds like two males. How big are the females you are popping? Adults are harder to pop and can hold there stuff in place. Get someone to probe them for you.

Maybe he's gay?

Edit: if he is, be sure to explain to him that you still love him and will accept him for who he is.

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From what I have heard, that sounds like what happens when two males are put together. I would double check the sexes.

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Definitely sounds like 2 males to me. This is how I found out my pastel was a male. Were your "females" popped as babies, or adults?

One of the females has been probed and both have locked with another male. One is almost 1700 and the other is 1600 in weight. Any other suggestions as to what the problem could be?

the only other thing I can think of is if both are female. But like everyone else said, it really sounds like two males.

If the other snake isn't "fighting" back I would have a hard time believing they are both males. When I first started putting my male mojave in with my normal female (she is indeed a lady, probed by two different people) he initially was flailing around much like he was trying to escape, but also kinda all over the female.

I left the two of them alone and he eventually calmed down. My male is eating weekly and is about 900g though.

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Originally Posted by CBconstrictors

One of the females has been probed and both have locked with another male.

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Males can lock with each other too. Just bringing that up to attention.

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Ok, so i put a proven breeder female with him yesterday and still the same thing happens. He starts hissing, bucks his back up, and pushes the female either up against the lid or pins her against the ground. Any ideas now on what might be going on? I'm baffled lol. I wish he would breed because he is a nice pastel.

Huh, that is weird. Does it seem like he is hurting her? Take a video and post it. Maybe it is his way of courting the ladies.

I am assuming you are introducing the male to the females enclosure? If so try it the other way around, could be the stress of a new enclosure is spazing him out.

I have tried introducing him into her enclosure and her into his enclosure. As far as is he hurting her, he did push down on one hard enough to push urates (spell check) and some poop out of one. I'll try to take a video and post it up when i get a chance.

What the ...?! That is weird, you started with male to female, good... then female to male good... I am curious what you mean though... I have never seen my ball pythons direct anger towards each other

Sounds like male X male anger issues, lol.

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Also, all the females have been popped by me and two other people, so they are females lol.

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I have never seen females fight each other, I also have not seen males fight other females, only try to pin them down to breed them.
Maybe that's what you are seeing and the female isn't ready so she's refusing him."?

I have seen males fight, what you describe sounds just like a male X male pairing.

LOL this is weird...Jerry may be right maybe he is pinning her down trying to mate and she is refusing. You said he is a big boy maybe she is likes them a little smaller. ;)

I did have something similar to this happen last year where I introduced a male and all of a sudden all ruckus broke loose. He tipped the water bowl, was slamming his body all over the place but in 15 minutes he was locked up with her and she laid this year so wasn't male vs male aggression.

Hmmm...... There may be something here with attitudes. I am familiar with tail wagging, but at least my perception says that this is much more aggresive. I believe it is kingsnakes that are big into pinning females down (feel free to correct me.) If you have time, could you post a video of this? I'd certainly appreciate it and im sure others would... I can only pop hatchlings as im just starting out, so try gettig a probe kit if you have the money. Shallow is female, deep is male. Probe a snake you know is a female then one you know is a male. That should help you really get the feel for it

I have a very aggressive clown male that is 2400+ grams, most of the time he's a smoozer and there's no issues.
Other times he's quite aggressive and won't take no for an answer and what I see is him trying to pin them down and hold them until they give in.
He'll just patiently lay on them until they decide enough is enough :rolleye2:

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I have a very aggressive clown male that is 2400+ grams, most of the time he's a smoozer and there's no issues.
Other times he's quite aggressive and won't take no for an answer and what I see is him trying to pin them down and hold them until they give in.
He'll just patiently lay on them until they decide enough is enough :rolleye2:

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Sounds like Snake Rape to me :O. No means NO

LOL

I think a video would be great. I have laughed at some of the posts on here. Some men are just very pushy maybe he is pinning her down lol:D

I can't get the video to load up but i have it on my photobucket and i can put a link if any of you would like to look. He was doing it worse than what's on the video but i couldn't catch it on my phone in time. Here is a link to my photobucket.

http://s1281.photobucket.com/albums/...bconstrictors/

Or if someone wants to, i can text the video and let you up load it. Keeps posting as a picture for me.

i had to males and that vid is EXACTLY what they did

Try putting the female in that video with another female. If they lock you have a male. I don't know what else you can do.

Seriously, double check the sex of your females.

I'm guessing two males as well. I recently put two males together on purpose to jump start the breeding season- although it was nothing like either video. One just kept pinning the other down by laying on top of it.

A simple YouTube search and you basically get the idea of how things can get with 2 adult males if they has a little more room.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7A0LhtKJAY

The one in the video laid a 4 egg clutch last year so she is a female most definitely unless i have the only egg laying male in existence lol. But i guess he will be just a pet.

How long have you tried to keep him in with the female? Have you given it time to see if he would calm down at all?

Your video does not look like males fighting. I don't really understand why people keep saying that is what it is when you have stated multiple times that they are confirmed male and female.

This looks very similar to what my mojave and normal did when they were paired the first few times. He was all over the place laying on top of her, pushing her away. I think he is just shy. My mojave calmed down after I left him in there with his lady friend for a couple days.

I did leave him in there over night one time but he just kept on thrashing around almost all night and i took him out the next morning. Even when i grab him to take him out of the tub, he will keep bucking his back in my hands until i put him down. Then he will be okay after he is out if their tub or they are out of his.