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Are Lemon Blasts supposed to look like this? (Waring Pic Heavy)
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The pattern looks very blended to me. The head almost looks like a super blast! I think the creamy faded pattern is coming from the pastel side though. Unless the parents were anything out of the norm i think the one in the second picture is a very good quality lemon blast.
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Both parents were really light, the pastel mother looks grey when she's not in shed and and the pin father is almost buckskin in color.
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I've been looking all over and can't find a pic of a lemon blast with the back stripe that both of these have.
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Re: Are Lemon Blasts supposed to look like this? (Waring Pic Heavy)
pics make it hard, but if it helps here my first shed lemonblasts
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...r/DSCN1096.jpg
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I think there is something seriously wrong. If.I were you I would sell me one very cheap and be done with it. ;)-
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So the pairing was pastel x pinstripe?
That pastel baby in the group pic looks pretty neato funky-looking to me ...
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Re: Are Lemon Blasts supposed to look like this? (Waring Pic Heavy)
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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser
That's what makes it hard, mine don't look much like yours. But what else could the be but Lemon Blasts? The father is a pin and the mother is a pastel.
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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana
So the pairing was pastel x pinstripe?
That pastel baby in the group pic looks pretty neato funky-looking to me ...
The pastel is very crazy looking. I will throw a better pic of it on here later
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Re: Are Lemon Blasts supposed to look like this? (Waring Pic Heavy)
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Originally Posted by angeluscorpion
That's what makes it hard, mine don't look much like yours. But what else could the be but Lemon Blasts? The father is a pin and the mother is a pastel.
has it shed yet?
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:omg:
I have no idea what is going on...but those are sweet! :gj:
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That looks like a similar backstripe that a jigsaw has. maybe the pastel mom was mixed with a snake with some bel genes.
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You're pin father looks like he has something else going on. He looks like more than just pin to me. If he is just pin, you're baby's are the result of very high quality selective breeding! Also that "pastel sibling" doesn't look like just pastel, I think you have another unexpected, unknown gene in the mix. They are all beautiful!
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Looking back through the pics, is it at all possible that the mother is axanthic x pastel or something like that? She doesn't look just pastel.
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I think the pastel has something else going on :gj:. The babies don't look normal :bow:
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From the first pic I'll take the one in the middle :D.
The back stripe is normal some people breed for it and others like me prefer it on pins. Every once in a while you'll see spiders with full back stripes. I have a normal pin female like those with a pretty full stripe (one break) from her nose to the tip of her tail.
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/j...n/IMGP4488.jpg
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The father almost looks like pin leopard lol
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Not sure about the lemon blasts. They look kinda granite-y, but they could still just be blasts. But that pastel sibling DEFINITELY has something else going on.
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Ummm Im sorry but I am more amazed in the first couple pictures at the pastel than the blasts lol I would buy that off of you in a heartbeat haha omg! That is sexy!! pm me if you ever sell it lmao seriously not joking I dont care if its male even though I have two and one is A+ quality I think you should breed the pastel to something as well :)
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Isn't this the clutch that was at 83 degrees for 83 days? If so, I'd say abnormal incubation is the cause.
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Re: Are Lemon Blasts supposed to look like this? (Waring Pic Heavy)
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Originally Posted by MS2
Isn't this the clutch that was at 83 degrees for 83 days? If so, I'd say abnormal incubation is the cause.
Bingo!! Exactly what I was thinking looks like the results of incubation problems.
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Originally Posted by MS2
Isn't this the clutch that was at 83 degrees for 83 days? If so, I'd say abnormal incubation is the cause.
That would do it.
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That was the next point I wanted to bring up. When people first said that the temp probable caused the pastel to look that way I bought it. But I've been looking at the pics a lot lately and don't think that's the case anymore. First of all for anyone no familiar with what happened I breed my pin to a friends pastel. Just before she laid I got told I had to deploy to Japan. So I asked my friend who owns a reptile shop if he would watch my snakes for me, he said yes. I dropped everything off and headed to Japan. After being here about a week she dropped 5 eggs and into the incubator they went. Little did I know until about day 52 that they were cooking at 83 degrees. I was livid, just prior to that the little pastel male that started our collection was somehow able to get inside of a heat light cage and cook himself, it was about to be 1 year old so it's not like he was tiny enough to fit through the squares of the cage. Anyway the babies were finally cut on day 83 and 2 were found dead, a normal and a pastel. The pastel died of a twisted umbilical and the normal was just dead. The pastel looked like a very pretty pastel, very bright and had a full almost unbroken dorsal stripe. The normal looked normal as well. I had thought the lemon blasts looked normal and then there was that pastel that looked crazy. I have a hard time accepting now that just one was effected by the temp for his color when the two lemon blasts look exactly the same and the other two look exactly the way they were supposed to .
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I'm not sure anyone will be able to determine how the temp stress impacted each individual egg but you just added that variable to the equation. You should hold them all back and breed them back to the parents to truly determine whether something is going on or not.
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I've never heard of (really only slightly) low incubation temps resulting in something like this. That pastel almost look like it's got some vanilla cream action going on. I think that must be genetic.
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Re: Are Lemon Blasts supposed to look like this? (Waring Pic Heavy)
I get to keep one of the lemon blasts and the pastel. I think I'm gonna raise them up and see what becomes of them. I think I will also breed the pin to a normal female and see what comes out.
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Re: Are Lemon Blasts supposed to look like this? (Waring Pic Heavy)
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Originally Posted by angeluscorpion
I get to keep one of the lemon blasts and the pastel. I think I'm gonna raise them up and see what becomes of them. I think I will also breed the pin to a normal female and see what comes out.
I definitely would it is worth a shot. I would also repeat the pin to pastel pairing if possible.
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Re: Are Lemon Blasts supposed to look like this? (Waring Pic Heavy)
I thought of repeating the pin X pastel with me in total control this time but I'm not sure if it will happen. With everything that has happened me and the owner of the pastel aren't on the greatest of terms.
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Re: Are Lemon Blasts supposed to look like this? (Waring Pic Heavy)
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Originally Posted by milesp
I think there is something seriously wrong. If.I were you I would sell me one very cheap and be done with it. ;)-
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LoL.
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hey stranger things have happened. think of bhb's viper ball, he paid well over 50K for it and for the life of him could not prove it genetic, after many failed attempts, gave up on the big money project. Who knows what could of caused that strange look, but it wasn't genetic apparently.
gl on proving something cool out, just don't be in denial that it might not be genetic. This is what we call a dinker project :). I got a couple myself.
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Re: Are Lemon Blasts supposed to look like this? (Waring Pic Heavy)
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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser
gl on proving something cool out, just don't be in denial that it might not be genetic. This is what we call a dinker project :). I got a couple myself.
I have a pair of dinkers myself. I don't think that these guys would count as dinkers though. They are for sure at least a lemon blast and a pastel. If there is anything else, only time and breeding will tell.
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I don't know if incubation extremes would cause it or not, but that's what alot of people point to when there's color/pattern abnormalities.
I hope you do have something else going on. That would be awesome. Like you said, grow them and breed them. The only way to tell.
Here is a baby from 2010. A lot of people said incubation extremes caused it.
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...4_0566copy.jpg
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...18/tn1copy.jpg
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Re: Are Lemon Blasts supposed to look like this? (Waring Pic Heavy)
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Originally Posted by MS2
What became of that one?
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Originally Posted by angeluscorpion
What became of that one?
I don't believe it survived. I remember reading that thread when it came out. And I am pretty sure it didn make it
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Id agree the breeder male pin has a busy pattern, like a granite pin. Pastel just looks like a pastel to me, but the one pastel that came out in the egg looks pretty dang crazy. Do u know the linage of the parents at all? Id also agree on the temps thing too, ill try to find a pic of a baby that never made it that was a wierd incubation issue
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http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k8...s/DSC01063.jpg
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The pin I found in a reptile store around Bueana Park, he was just sitting in a tank and I guess no one wanted him because he only had one eye. Apparently he was someone's pet at one point but they sold him to the pet store. I though he was really cool looking, really light and a cool pattern, plus his missing eye just kinda fit him. I asked to see him and saw that he had a RI but I have fixed those before so that wasn't a big deal and with a price of 100.00 he was well worth the extra attention. The pastel is a long time resident of a local reptile store, as they tell the story she just say there and no one ever wanted her so they just decided to keep her. So for at least a year or two she has lived in an enclosure with an albino male and a normal female. The funny thing is they all avoided each other. So I convinced the owners to let me breed my pin to her and these little guys were the result.
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Re: Are Lemon Blasts supposed to look like this? (Waring Pic Heavy)
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Originally Posted by angeluscorpion
What became of that one?
He made it about a year before he died. Out of 7 eggs, he was the only one to go full term. The rest started dying off at about 1 egg a week. He definitly wasn't right. He had to be assist fed and had some bizarre behavior. He acted like he had some extreme Spider wobble.
I was tring to see if the reduced pattern was genetic or not. I only got one clutch this year and I think they came out more reduced than most.
Pastave female:
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...pse9b7638b.jpg
Pastave male:
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...pscbce4468.jpg
Mojave male:
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6114141e.jpg
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Re: Are Lemon Blasts supposed to look like this? (Waring Pic Heavy)
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Originally Posted by angeluscorpion
The pin I found in a reptile store around Bueana Park, he was just sitting in a tank and I guess no one wanted him because he only had one eye. Apparently he was someone's pet at one point but they sold him to the pet store. I though he was really cool looking, really light and a cool pattern, plus his missing eye just kinda fit him.
This is interesting. Was the missing eye a birth defect or an injury? If it was a defect, could it have been the result of an incubation issue? It would be interesting if it had been an incubation issue to understand if the defect went deeper then physical attributes of the individual and became something heritable in the pattern. Just thinking out loud.
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Re: Are Lemon Blasts supposed to look like this? (Waring Pic Heavy)
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Originally Posted by MS2
That sucks, Im sorry for your loss but you have some awesome looking pastaves. That female is beautiful!
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Re: Are Lemon Blasts supposed to look like this? (Waring Pic Heavy)
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Originally Posted by rlditmars
This is interesting. Was the missing eye a birth defect or an injury? If it was a defect, could it have been the result of an incubation issue? It would be interesting if it had been an incubation issue to understand if the defect went deeper then physical attributes of the individual and became something heritable in the pattern. Just thinking out loud.
When I bought him I asked about it and they didn't know. Their answer was " I don't know, he came in here that way". I can't tell if it's a scar or a birth defect, I'm leaning toward scar because it's not seamless, there is a hole that you can kinda see something inside and it pulls his lip up a little.
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