Trade value on bumble bee het hypo vs. Ivory

Do you think this is a fair trade? Male bumble bee het hypo-1050 grams with no paper work on the hypo part for female ivory hatchling. I have the hatchling ivory female. Im inclined to think it is but just wanted to see what others think. The guy seems legit, has a nice website, and a good trader rating so I trust him on the het hypo aspect so thats not really an issue for me. Thanks, Aaron

I think its fair if the male is indeed a het hypo. When you trade, you should get a written guarantee that the bee is het hypo in case he doesn't prove out after 3 breedings. And come up with a back up plan if he doesn't prove out. Like, the trader should owe you the difference for a regular bee or something. Its quite a difference in sum between a normal bee and a het hypo bee.... You know, just in case.

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Thankyou for the reply, looks like Ive got some thinkin to do:D

Also, the bumble bee het hypo has a scar on his lower jaw from a bite, it looks like a nice little piece is missing/almost a little cleft if you will. Does this effect the trade value as well? I looks just cosmedic, but IDK I like my snakes to be pretty:D

Male bees go for as low as $300 nowadays. Nice ones for $400ish. Do you have any pics of the bee and the injury?

Also why do you want to do the trade? Does the bee fit into your plans better?

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Male bees go for as low as $300 nowadays. Nice ones for $400ish. Do you have any pics of the bee and the injury?

Also why do you want to do the trade? Does the bee fit into your plans better?

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Male bees are going between $200 & $275 down here in Miami atleast.

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Originally Posted by Robert093090

Male bees are going between $200 & $275 down here in Miami atleast.

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Those are deals off CL and people who are just trying to move things. Market value, which I don't think changes from state to state is about $350-$400.

I know a guy that is selling a female bumble bee het hypo for $650. So my guess is $200-$250 less. $400-450 for good quality. Then the ivory I've seen him post male for $650 and female for $850.


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Bee is worth what a bee is worth, not even close to an Ivory female especially since the het part of the bee is in question.
I think it would be a foolish move to trade a Ivory female for a bee het ghost even if the bee het ghost has paperwork...

Cost and worth are two different things. To me a breeder male 2 poss 3 gene combo male is worth more than a baby female Super YB..but that's just me and my animals. If you have 3 male Bee's then it might be worth it..but in my mind no not for a baby female. .

But a bee male is not worth anything close to a Ivory female as an adult especially.
The het part is in question, making the snake worth $300 to $350 market value, if not less.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

But a bee male is not worth anything close to a Ivory female as an adult especially.
The het part is in question, making the snake worth $300 to $350 market value, if not less.

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That's true. But he's not trading for an adult, so the value of the animal is what ever it is at the time of the trade, not potentional value after a bunch of if/and/but's.

Personally the female YB is way more valuable to me then a Bumble Bee male. Het hypo or not. Now, that's in terms of my collection. I think it really depends on which you'd rather have, whether or not one is technically worth more than the other.

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Originally Posted by Sarin

Personally the female YB is way more valuable to me then a Bumble Bee male. Het hypo or not. Now, that's in terms of my collection. I think it really depends on which you'd rather have, whether or not one is technically worth more than the other.

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Bingo! trade value is based on your collection and not what you can sell it for..

Do I think it is a fair trade? No I do not.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Male bees go for as low as $300 nowadays. Nice ones for $400ish. Do you have any pics of the bee and the injury?

Also why do you want to do the trade? Does the bee fit into your plans better?

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The OP hasnt responded yet so i guess ill just add my opinion:
No i would not do that trade. Is it a fair trade? Sure is, if both parties are happy with what they get. From a money standpoint is it a fair trade? No i dont think so. You have to treat the bee as just a bee since the "het hypo" isnt coming from a reputable breeder. (Not saying this guy is a bad person or anything). A male bee, even that size, isnt worth the same as a hatchling female ivory.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Cost and worth are two different things. To me a breeder male 2 poss 3 gene combo male is worth more than a baby female Super YB..but that's just me and my animals. If you have 3 male Bee's then it might be worth it..but in my mind no not for a baby female. .

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My thoughts exactly, though I wouldn't have put it as well.

For those citing bee prices: The personal value I would place on a bumblebee male hatchling if I had no other snakes is a far different thing from the value I would place on a breeder bee het hypo if I had a female hypo/het hypo something ready to go.

Of course, it all depends on how much I trust the "het hypo"..

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Male bees go for as low as $300 nowadays. Nice ones for $400ish. Do you have any pics of the bee and the injury?

Also why do you want to do the trade? Does the bee fit into your plans better?

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Its an adult breeder bee het hypo and yes I have many projects that it would fit perfectly with. I do but they arent mine so I'm not going to post them, its not a bad injury just a little bite mark taken out of the lower lip. I was offered the trade so I'm giving it consideration plus I hatched out 2 female Ivories and am parting with one anyway.

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Male bees are going between $200 & $275 down here in Miami atleast.

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I'm aware of the price of hatchling bees. Its an adult bee het hypo.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Bee is worth what a bee is worth, not even close to an Ivory female especially since the het part of the bee is in question.
I think it would be a foolish move to trade a Ivory female for a bee het ghost even if the bee het ghost has paperwork...

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Thanks, I was starting to lean towards this direction as well plus the injury to the lower lip, I believe I will be passing on this one.

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Cost and worth are two different things. To me a breeder male 2 poss 3 gene combo male is worth more than a baby female Super YB..but that's just me and my animals. If you have 3 male Bee's then it might be worth it..but in my mind no not for a baby female. .

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This was my original thinking. Thanks for the input:gj:

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Originally Posted by Sarin

Personally the female YB is way more valuable to me then a Bumble Bee male. Het hypo or not. Now, that's in terms of my collection. I think it really depends on which you'd rather have, whether or not one is technically worth more than the other.

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Very valid point, to me the Ivory is valuable to me but a breeder bee het hypo would be a very valuable asset for some projects this year that would potentially have to wait another year or two. Decisions decisions, what to do.:confusd: Thanks:D

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

The OP hasnt responded yet so i guess ill just add my opinion:
No i would not do that trade. Is it a fair trade? Sure is, if both parties are happy with what they get. From a money standpoint is it a fair trade? No i dont think so. You have to treat the bee as just a bee since the "het hypo" isnt coming from a reputable breeder. (Not saying this guy is a bad person or anything). A male bee, even that size, isnt worth the same as a hatchling female ivory.

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Very good points here. The guy has a pretty good reputation on fauna and has some nice vids on youtube, he checks out for me and seems pretty upstanding and honest. However he didnt acquire the bee himself and didnt breed it himself so I guess I will have to just consider the trade as just a bee regardless. Thanks for the thoughts.

I’m in agreeance with Freakie_frog. A breeder 2, pos 3 gene male is more valuable/useful to me than a hatchling female. In the 2 to 3 (most often 3) years its going to take that female to breed, I can do more things with that breeder male. Not to mention that in 2 to 3 years that female is not going to be worth near as much then as she does now. By that I mean hatchling female Ivories will not be at the current prices. As a breeder in 2 or 3 years she will probably only be worth $800, if that.