What would you do; Snow vs albino pied?

Like the title says, what would you get into given the options? Reasons would be appreciated :D

albino pieds... only because no 2 pieds are ever the same.

and if i wanted an all white snake i'd rather it have blue eyes ;)

ALBINO PIED!!!! They look way cooler than snows. Now if you were gonna make VPI Lanvender Snows they I would say that snow. They look awesome. But regular snow vs albino pied I vote albino pied any day.

Albino Pied all the way, then sneak Enchi in......

Albino pied personally. Beautiful animals.

I was personally thinking the same thing, but then what male should I be seeking to start the project with for my current ladies.I was really hoping to be able to use both genes in the axanthic but it doesn't look like it so far.

What I was thinking because it would be most cost effective would be to start with the snow project and then work the offspring into the albino pied and ALSO the lightning pied. I'm hoping to pull an albino het vpi axanthic for around 350-400 in the next 1-2 years which would give me albinos hets, axanthic hets, double hets and snows. I would be hoping to pull a male snow out of that clutch i think so I could breed that back to the female pied in the next season or two and make pure triple hets. then from there go for my albino pied, lightning pieds and possible snow pieds?!

I may have been jumping the gun on a few aspects but correct me if i'm wrong. that could take as little as 4-5 years if all goes perfectly.

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Oh and if I could pull a super fire, a firefly and a black pastel or better out of my other pairings....oh boy. some pretty combos with those.

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Originally Posted by Ryan Chin

What I was thinking because it would be most cost effective would be to start with the snow project and then work the offspring into the albino pied and ALSO the lightning pied. I'm hoping to pull an albino het vpi axanthic for around 350-400 in the next 1-2 years which would give me albinos hets, axanthic hets, double hets and snows. I would be hoping to pull a male snow out of that clutch i think so I could breed that back to the female pied in the next season or two and make pure triple hets. then from there go for my albino pied, lightning pieds and possible snow pieds?!

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That's how I'd swing it if I were doing that project starting with the snakes you have now. As you said, the albino het vpi axanthic for your vpi axanthic het albino makes it nice and neat, everything is either homozygous or 100% het from that pairing. Hopefully get that snow male to put to your pied female and produce the triples. I'd probably hold back 2 males and all of the female triple hets. Couple years after that you could be hatching out some madness.

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Originally Posted by Ryan Chin

What I was thinking because it would be most cost effective would be to start with the snow project and then work the offspring into the albino pied and ALSO the lightning pied. I'm hoping to pull an albino het vpi axanthic for around 350-400 in the next 1-2 years which would give me albinos hets, axanthic hets, double hets and snows. I would be hoping to pull a male snow out of that clutch i think so I could breed that back to the female pied in the next season or two and make pure triple hets. then from there go for my albino pied, lightning pieds and possible snow pieds?!

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That's how I'd swing it if I were doing that project starting with the snakes you have now. As you said, the albino het vpi axanthic for your vpi axanthic het albino makes it nice and neat, everything is either homozygous or 100% het from that pairing. Hopefully get that snow male to put to your pied female and produce the triples. I'd probably hold back 2 males and all of the female triple hets. Couple years after that you could be hatching out some madness.

yeah anything pied is cool. I personally love the axanthic gene but if you can't see it visually in a morph than what's the point other than future breeding projects, which even still - pieds are hotter than axanthics on the market.

Cheers,
Chris.

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Originally Posted by decensored

yeah anything pied is cool. I personally love the axanthic gene but if you can't see it visually in a morph than what's the point other than future breeding projects, which even still - pieds are hotter than axanthics on the market.

Cheers,
Chris.

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Oh definitely, the axanthic was more a personal preference I had and more of a spur of the moment buy at the expo than a calculated decision on where to go with it. The het albino and and 100 dollar off added just enough value for me to pull the trigger. I love axanthics in themselves and with also the potential to make albino/lightning pieds.

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Originally Posted by John1982

That's how I'd swing it if I were doing that project starting with the snakes you have now. As you said, the albino het vpi axanthic for your vpi axanthic het albino makes it nice and neat, everything is either homozygous or 100% het from that pairing. Hopefully get that snow male to put to your pied female and produce the triples. I'd probably hold back 2 males and all of the female triple hets. Couple years after that you could be hatching out some madness.

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My thoughts EXACTLY!

Albino pied. I am not interested in snows at all.

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Originally Posted by Andybill

Albino pied. I am not interested in snows at all.

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I like a few albino and ax combos but dont have a huge desire to own any. (Except for an albino spinner :) ). On the other hand i love pieds. So albino or ax pieds would be cooler imo.

Visually Albino Pieds are more stunning in my opinion. They have that "WOW" effect. I would welcome one in my collection any day.

Snows don't have that same visual effect as an Albino Pied, but still a great animal for breeding. But as I'm not that interested in Axanthics, I'm not interested in snows.

If you enjoy white snakes with red eyes, I suggest Cherry Bombs, Polar Balls, and Blizzard Balls. I find that their genetics are far superior breeding wise than snows.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Visually Albino Pieds are more stunning in my opinion. They have that "WOW" effect. I would welcome one in my collection any day.

Snows don't have that same visual effect as an Albino Pied, but still a great animal for breeding. But as I'm not that interested in Axanthics, I'm not interested in snows.

If you enjoy white snakes with red eyes, I suggest Cherry Bombs, Polar Balls, and Blizzard Balls. I find that their genetics are far superior breeding wise than snows.

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I will definitely have to check out cherry bombs, I think I have seen the other two but I'll go get a refresher. Ya when I was looking at the axanthics at the show they were trying to see if I was interested in the snow project but tbh not really, I just really like axanthics and axanthic combos overall. My goal eventually is a Black Axanthic, though I know it is a different morph from the axanthic I am hoping to come close if i can get a black pastel or eventually super black pastels into it. the het albino for me was just a nice little extra since I wanted the axanthic anyways. Trying to make use of all my genes heh.

Oh btw since I know you're in davis, do you know any good feeder breeders around the area? I really don't have any as the one I was talking to flaked on me.

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Originally Posted by Ryan Chin

I will definitely have to check out cherry bombs, I think I have seen the other two but I'll go get a refresher. Ya when I was looking at the axanthics at the show they were trying to see if I was interested in the snow project but tbh not really, I just really like axanthics and axanthic combos overall. My goal eventually is a Black Axanthic, though I know it is a different morph from the axanthic I am hoping to come close if i can get a black pastel or eventually super black pastels into it. the het albino for me was just a nice little extra since I wanted the axanthic anyways. Trying to make use of all my genes heh.

Oh btw since I know you're in davis, do you know any good feeder breeders around the area? I really don't have any as the one I was talking to flaked on me.

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Sounds like a good plan.
Yeah. I can recommend a great guy in Sac. I'll PM his contact. He lives by UCD med center. He breeds balls too. His feeders are top quality and for great prices.

Unless you want mice, Davis has nothing. I breed my own rats, but it's just enough for my snakes. But I usually go to the guy above when I'm having a dry spell of feeders.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Sounds like a good plan.
Yeah. I can recommend a great guy in Sac. I'll PM his contact. He lives by UCD med center. He breeds balls too. His feeders are top quality and for great prices.

Unless you want mice, Davis has nothing. I breed my own rats, but it's just enough for my snakes. But I usually go to the guy above when I'm having a dry spell of feeders.

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Wow thanks for being so helpful! I'm not sure if you have PM'd it already but i'll definitely check him out this week for feeders if I can!

I also want to breed my own rats but then read ASF's are illegal here :( Maybe a small scale rat colony sometime in the future year or two...How much was it to setup for you?

Reading these comments, I wonder how many people have seen a snow. far from just a white snake. still not as drastic as the pied, but still how is electric looking side pattern not cool as heck...

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...12-2007005.jpg

of course they don't keep it into adulthood but I still love it.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Reading these comments, I wonder how many people have seen a snow. far from just a white snake. still not as drastic as the pied, but still how is electric looking side pattern not cool as heck...

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...12-2007005.jpg

of course they don't keep it into adulthood but I still love it.

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I saw two at the expo last weekend, they are indeed electrifying! they don't do it for me as much as my lil pied girl though! One thing I am not sure about on her though is her orange, she has a good amount of orange to her and especially towards her outer pattern really bright orange...I am hoping she holds that somewhat into adulthood. I don't see it hardly ever on older pieds though so I am kinda skeptical. She was sired by a pastel pied, and since she arrived I've had my suspicions if she may be pastel also. I was looking around at the expo for similar qualities in pieds and didn't see ANY. I have seen a couple stellar looking pieds on forums and classifeds that had similar orange but in person, the rings on mine sorta stand out to me.

Albino pied has my vote, snows just don't do it for me unless they are lavender snow :gj:

The only snow worth making are the lavender snow like I said before and the caramel snow. I love axanthics but regular albino just doesn't look that good with axanthic. Have you thought about making true ghosts (hypo axanthics)? Or just get anything het axanthic and breed it to your axanthic het albino and have 50% het albino babies as a bonus.

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Originally Posted by angeluscorpion

The only snow worth making are the lavender snow like I said before and the caramel snow. I love axanthics but regular albino just doesn't look that good with axanthic. Have you thought about making true ghosts (hypo axanthics)? Or just get anything het axanthic and breed it to your axanthic het albino and have 50% het albino babies as a bonus.

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Ya I've thought about both

1) True Ghosts has me super excited, especially since it's VPI line. Most likely though, it will come after my albino pied/lightning pied projects since I already sort of have those genes. Nothing ghosty at all over here. Yet.

2) I don't like Axanthics enough to make just Axanthics, and I also don't really like dealing in 50% hets if I can help it.

Same goes for the Albinos.^

hows about you hit up Jeff Holloway for one of his triple males.....mega power in one of those bad boys,they are VPI AX-double het for Albino and Pied....the possibilities are staggering incuding the "Snow Pied"....the difference in the shades of white would be sweet.I intend to own one of these gems.

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Originally Posted by BillyChainsaw

hows about you hit up Jeff Holloway for one of his triple males.....mega power in one of those bad boys,they are VPI AX-double het for Albino and Pied....the possibilities are staggering incuding the "Snow Pied"....the difference in the shades of white would be sweet.I intend to own one of these gems.

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i was originally hoping to do that, i think i saw on kinsnake and from the barkers the triple gene hets were 800-1300 I THINK.