Spider vs Bee - Mass Confusion

I am seeing a lot of confusing usage of the term Bee when describing spider combos. A Bee (short for Bumble Bee) is Spider and Pastel together. However, many people are calling Spider combos without any Pastel, a Bee. This is not only confusing but may be misleading when selling animals. For example, a Lesser Bee should be Lesser, Spider and Pastel not just Lesser and Spider. Does this also apply for Stinger Bee (Enchi, Spider and Pastel) while a Stinger is just Enchi and Spider.
Am I wrong about this? What is the proper naming convention for Spider and Pastel combos?
I think any combo with Bee in the name should have Spider and Pastel to be consistent.
Ken

What youre saying DOES make sense but it simply is not the case haha.

I totally understand where you're coming from. I was confused by that myself at first, but I just came to accept that it is what it is. When I was buying my lesser bee at an expo, I initially thought I was getting a triple gene snake. In talking to the breeder, he clarified that lesser bee is just lesser x spider... Definitely confusing for people just getting into the morphs, but a reputable breeder should gladly clarify any genetic questions about their stock.

The way I make sense of it is to equate bee with spider combo. Which when you look at it that way it can make sense, a pastel spider makes a bumblebee, a lesser spider makes a lesser bee, a cinny spider makes a cinnabee, etc...

What I want to know is how people jumped from spiders to bees. :P

I think some of the reasoning behind it might be that a pastel x spider = bumblebee
So replacing pastel with lesser would make it a lesserbee
The confusion comes because people shorten bumblebee to bee. Thus is the disadvangtage to you make it you name it.
lesser x pastel x spider = queenbee
So why isn't a pastel x lesser called a queen?
Lesser x pin = kingpin
Shouldn't it just be lesserpin?
Or should we now call anything with lesser a king...

Morph names don't make sense most of the time. It just takes researching and asking to figure things out. There is no committee to approve names for morphs. There do seem to be many breeders who believe new names should be reserved for new morphs only, and not new combos. Would make things easier yes.. but would definitely be a PITA when labeling / selling animals at shows etc once you get up to 4/5 gene animals. :D

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Originally Posted by simpsonke

I am seeing a lot of confusing usage of the term Bee when describing spider combos. A Bee (short for Bumble Bee) is Spider and Pastel together. However, many people are calling Spider combos without any Pastel, a Bee. This is not only confusing but may be misleading when selling animals. For example, a Lesser Bee should be Lesser, Spider and Pastel not just Lesser and Spider. Does this also apply for Stinger Bee (Enchi, Spider and Pastel) while a Stinger is just Enchi and Spider.
Am I wrong about this? What is the proper naming convention for Spider and Pastel combos?
I think any combo with Bee in the name should have Spider and Pastel to be consistent.
Ken

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Name's are a fun way to simply identify morphs or combos.

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

Or should we now call anything with lesser a king :D

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Well... there is the lesser clown aka King Clown. Haha :p


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Originally Posted by simpsonke

Am I wrong about this? What is the proper naming convention for Spider and Pastel combos?
I think any combo with Bee in the name should have Spider and Pastel to be consistent.
Ken

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The first Bumblebee was hatched well over a decade ago. In that time, it's been pretty well established throughout the industry that a "Bee" combo doesn't have to have have pastel in it. ;)

Just a little perspective. :)

Does not compute...

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Originally Posted by Kara

The first Bumblebee was hatched well over a decade ago. In that time, it's been pretty well established throughout the industry that a "Bee" combo doesn't have to have have pastel in it. ;)

Just a little perspective. :)

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However, a few things do use bee to cover the spider and pastel

nuclear spider = butter fire spider
nuclear bee = butter fire spider pastel
calibee = calico pastel spider
coralbee = coral glow pastel spider
tigerbee = desert enchi pastel spider

thus we have the confusion

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

However, a few things do use bee to cover the spider and pastel

nuclear spider = butter fire spider
nuclear bee = butter fire spider pastel
calibee = calico pastel spider
coralbee = coral glow pastel spider
tigerbee = desert enchi pastel spider

thus we have the confusion

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Yes, I'm aware of the confusion...simply pointing out the fact that Kevin (and others) have been naming spider combos "bees" for quite some time, regardless of whether or not there's pastel in them. Certainly isn't the first time this has come up...it goes right along with the argument against giving ANY combos unique names, and simply calling them by what morphs they're made of, instead.

The way I have always looked at it is if it has spider in it, it's some kind of a bee.
lesser bee
butter bee
black bee
honey bee
cinna bee
fire bee
mojave bee
stinger bee
ect.

Then there are some spider combos that aren't called bees such as anything to do with a spinner.

Certainly clears up some confusing conversations I have heard in the past! I was under the impression that anything "bee" had pastel x spider. You know, black and yellow, LIKE A BEE! Oh well, I guess the day I make something new will be the day I get make the name! LOL!

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Originally Posted by Kara

Yes, I'm aware of the confusion...simply pointing out the fact that Kevin (and others) have been naming spider combos "bees" for quite some time, regardless of whether or not there's pastel in them. Certainly isn't the first time this has come up...it goes right along with the argument against giving ANY combos unique names, and simply calling them by what morphs they're made of, instead.

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I guess this is what I was trying to say about this confusing usage. It seems like the Lesser Bee, Butter Bee, etc. were just sloppily named after the morphs they were made from.
As a theoretical example, an Enchi Mojave is a Mochi, if I create a new Enchi combo (say a GHI Enchi) without Mojave and call it a GHI Mochi the name implies that there is another gene involved and appears to follow the 'what there made of' naming convention.