Black Back Enchi Yellow Belly PH Pied

got this girl in a trade, also got two corn snakes. She is going into shed but still I can tell she going to be a stunner. She has more dots than I'd like but considering her genetics I couldn't turn the trade down. Her black on her back makes all the blacks in the rest of my collection look dull, she has yellowbelly markers and is starting to get a yellow tint to her belly, her banding is nice and tight with high golds on her pattern and beautiful green eyes. like i said more dots than I'd want but I got her for an absolute steal

http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/...a/CAM00181.jpg
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http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/...002_223147.jpg
http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/...41413363_n.jpg

and the two corns was told they are a male snow het anery het butter and a female plasma motley het caramel het bloodred het creamsickle het opal het anery
male
http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/...003_024028.jpg
female
http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/...003_024034.jpg

I don't see YB or Enchi in that Ball...Do you have better pics?

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

I don't see YB or Enchi in that Ball...Do you have better pics?

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I was thinking the same thing. Looks like a plain Jane ball that someone made up a crazy morph name to get big bux for.

To the OP. Please post more pics in natural light so we can tell you if you've had your leg pulled.

I hate to say it, but I see a normal. I don't see any enchi or yellow belly either. Not really a true black back either.

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Yellow bellys don't really have yellow colored bellies. Often times its just the pattern along the outer edges of the belly scales that allow you to tell what they are. They should also have flames.

If that snake has any type of morph whatsoever in it then please put it under some "daylight" bulbs and take some good photos with a real camera. Also get some belly shots. Not trying be a downer but it's either a normal and you were totally duped, or it's the lowest quality YB enchi you could have possibly gotten (unless it's just terrible pics in the wrong light with a phone).

Does the belly look anything like this?
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/03/ma5aza9a.jpg

Are you sure it's a female? What did you trade for this trio?

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I have to agree with the others. I don't see any YB or Enchi. While your at it, you may want to verify it's female. As badly as it seems to have been misrepresented, it wouldn'e surprise me if it were a male.

It looks like a Het Red Axanthic, but as others have said, I don't see Yellowbelly or Enchi. Get some better pictures outside in normal light, and a belly picture.:snake:

Glad I wasn't the only one thinking it, but I see a normal too.

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Unfortunately, I have to agree with everyone else. But definitely get some better pics, natural light and possibly after she sheds.

definitly not enchi or yellow belly sorry dude i think they lied to you:(

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http://www.worldofballpythons.com/gfx/spacer.gif this is a enchi yellow belly on wob

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Originally Posted by R&DP

It looks like a Het Red Axanthic, but as others have said, I don't see Yellowbelly or Enchi. Get some better pictures outside in normal light, and a belly picture.:snake:

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Not trying to be a meanie but it doesn't look like a het red.

look on world of ballpythons

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Originally Posted by interloc

Not trying to be a meanie but it doesn't look like a het red.

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Agreed - doesn't look het red either - looks like a normal ball python. :(

Well I hope for your sake that it at least proves out for you and you get some pieds....

For future reference when looking for an enchi:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ighlight=Enchi

snakesrkewl has an enchi black back thats pretty sweet.

Here is a enchi YB for ref http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-yellow-belly/

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Originally Posted by Andybill

Well I hope for your sake that it at least proves out for you and you get some pieds....

For future reference when looking for an enchi:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ighlight=Enchi

snakesrkewl has an enchi black back thats pretty sweet.

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Even if she did prove we are talking about a serious price difference here probably about 1.5 K or more.

From those pics I am not seeing Enchi or YB either but a normal.

To the OP what was the trade value on this and who did you trade with?

I don't see YB or enchi either and I don't think it's just the lighting. :( hopefully you can get it sorted out with whoever you did the trade with.

waiting for her to come out of shed then i will use a camera instead of phone, she was given to me as a black back enchi the parents were said to be a yellow belly enchi het pied and a black back enchi het pied so i thought i saw yellow belly due to belly pattern he didnt trade her as such. he tells me it came from nerd and is going to go through his records for the receipt for me. she has beem confirmed as a female

may just be positive thinking but she has a yellowish gold coming halfway up her sides just doesnt come out in pics and im thinking it will be brighter after shed. hoping this is an enchi and it just looks bad right now. if she isnt then no big deal live and learn plus i have a starting point for corns and a nice dinker if nothing else

I'm going to save you the trouble..it's not an enchi..enchi is as much a pattern morph as it is a color. and enve in shed they don't look like normals.. Sorry friend but you got a Poss Het Pied. I don't work with het reds so I can't speak to that one..

i too only see a normal too not much that pops out to say otherwise. post some belly pics. and those corns have alot of het in them

I sure hope that whatever you traded was nothing more than $100 dollars. As everyone else has already stated, that is in no way an Enchi much less an Enchi YB. It is also not a het Red. It is a low black back normal. It doesn't look to be in shed either. It is only about $25.
The male snow het anery het butter is only a snow unless you got some genetic proof, but even so its only about a $50 corn. The "Plasma Motley het caramel het bloodred het creamsicle het opal het anery" does not look to be a Plasma and is not a motley. A Plasma is a lavender blood red so it makes no sense to call it a het blood red.

Personally depending on what your end of the trade was, I would take them back. I am pretty sure you have been taken advantage of. Sorry for the news. That is unless you are happy with them of course. Just know that they are not what they are supposed to be.

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she was given to me as a black back enchi

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he didnt trade her as such

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if she isnt then no big deal

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Even if he didn't trade her as a Black Back Enchi YB Poss Het Pied and you are the one that made assumptions on the YB part, he still traded her as a Black Back Enchi and while you say it's not a big deal, in my opinion it is, we are not talking about the same value anymore but we are still talking about around $500.

This is plain and simple misrepresentation. :colbert:

My bet is he will not find the receipt from NERD and even if he does unless there is a picture ID of the animal along with the description it will still not prove anything.

Few people that chimed in own and have produced Enchis and even after she shed it will still not change their opinions sorry :(

As everyone else said, not a BB Enchi YB. Looks nothing like an enchi or a BB enchi. Just a BB normal. Sorry. :(


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Originally Posted by Anthony Renna

waiting for her to come out of shed then i will use a camera instead of phone, she was given to me as a black back enchi the parents were said to be a yellow belly enchi het pied and a black back enchi het pied so i thought i saw yellow belly due to belly pattern he didnt trade her as such. he tells me it came from nerd and is going to go through his records for the receipt for me. she has beem confirmed as a female

may just be positive thinking but she has a yellowish gold coming halfway up her sides just doesnt come out in pics and im thinking it will be brighter after shed. hoping this is an enchi and it just looks bad right now. if she isnt then no big deal live and learn plus i have a starting point for corns and a nice dinker if nothing else

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Who was the seller? Im not seeing anything but a normal. It's not just the picture quality either. I'd request to cancel the trade.

Yeah it looks like a normal run of the mill ball python....sorry but I don't see YB marker's anywhere, it's definitely not an Enchi. You got swindled unfortunately, can you provide any info on who you bought it from?

I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but there isn't really anything wrong with the pics you posted. The snake is just a normal. You don't need a nice camera or perfect lighting to see that it's normal, and not enchi. If the pairing was really het pied to het pied (which I'm sure most people are doubting now), then you've got a normal that's 66% het pied.

Ah, you got scammed, unless the pairing was het pied to het pied, then as the person above said you've got a normal that is 66% het pied. But as for the enchi bb, no need for better pictures in better lighting, it's pretty obvious...

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Originally Posted by therunaway

Ah, you got scammed, unless the pairing was het pied to het pied, then as the person above said you've got a normal that is 66% het pied. But as for the enchi bb, no need for better pictures in better lighting, it's pretty obvious...

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Even if the pairing was het to het all the non-visual babies would be 66% poss-het pied

I see Het Red. For those of you that don't work with Het Red Axanthics. One of the markers is the broken stripe at the base of the neck. The color and pattern varies greatly from one animal to the next. Not all Het Reds have a perfect black back, or squigly lines in the alien heads. That is mostly from a Red Axanthic breeding.
So with that being said. My opinion is at best, a Het Red Axanthic, poss het Pied.
Good Luck, you now have a Dinker to work with.

Got in touch with the guy he offered to undo the trade or do a modified trade. I kept the corns brought back this snake and got this gorgeous cinnamon female
http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/...004_004759.jpg
http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/...004_004802.jpg

I still believe he has the paperwork and she was legit but I wasn't going to make him dig up her papers from his huge filing cabinet when I'm happy with the cinnamon and corns. Will definitely be doing future business with him already saw like 5 snakes in his reptile room I want

She's pretty but I'd make sure she is actually a she and not a he. If the guy can't tell the difference between an enchi and a normal I'd second guess his ability to properly sex a ball python.

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Originally Posted by R&DP

I see Het Red. For those of you that don't work with Het Red Axanthics. One of the markers is the broken stripe at the base of the neck. The color and pattern varies greatly from one animal to the next. Not all Het Reds have a perfect black back, or squigly lines in the alien heads. That is mostly from a Red Axanthic breeding.
So with that being said. My opinion is at best, a Het Red Axanthic, poss het Pied.
Good Luck, you now have a Dinker to work with.

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Het reds have a cinny sort of look to them. Dark blacks, bronzey yellow aliens and some flames coming up the side. Also the OP didn't say it was, it was brought up by someone else and immediately disproved. The OP seems to have sorted it out and now everyone is happy.

Yeah the guy is a good guy he put it next to his pastel enchi and it looks good to me but I decided the cinnamon and corns plus he tossed me a rheostat just because. Doing more Business in future

good luck to you then I guess.

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Originally Posted by Anthony Renna

Yeah the guy is a good guy he put it next to his pastel enchi and it looks good to me but I decided the cinnamon and corns plus he tossed me a rheostat just because. Doing more Business in future

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So the snake you showed us that is not an enchi and is not a yb is put with a pastel enchi and it looks good to you, but you decided on a cinny and the corns?

IMO whoever you are dealing with is scamming you, they obviously have no clue what they are doing if they told you that snake was a black back enchi yb het pied, which would be a fairly expensive morph.
That's awesome he tossed you a rheostat :rolleye2: maybe next time he offers you a snake that is what it's supposed to be?
I'd run hard and fast from whoever this person is...

Like I said none of you saw the snake in person. And if he was a bad guy he wouldn't have me to his house to fix it. I'm not posting his name to cause him grief from people who didn't see the snake. I will be doing more future business with hI'm. Just getting my enchi at the long island show is all

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Originally Posted by Anthony Renna

Like I said none of you saw the snake in person. And if he was a bad guy he wouldn't have me to his house to fix it.

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man even through pics people that deal with those morph recognize it even with crappy cell phone pics. even if he is a good guy you still doubted his word and went back to trade back for a cinnamon right.

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Originally Posted by Anthony Renna

Like I said none of you saw the snake in person. And if he was a bad guy he wouldn't have me to his house to fix it. I'm not posting his name to cause him grief from people who didn't see the snake. I will be doing more future business with hI'm. Just getting my enchi at the long island show is all

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I'm personally not interesting in knowing who this person is. The people I buy snakes from can normally tell the difference between a blackback, enchi, and yellowbelly, from a normal :rolleyes:. The "PH" aka "possible het" is probably just another way to make the animal seem more valuable than it actually is... Kinda like people saying "eh.. the breeder said it was also possible het sunset!".. It happens very often. We're just trying to warn you about what kind of tactics people will use to sell you a normal as something else...

I'm glad you got yourself a new cinny, and I can tell you, it's definitely a cinnamon, but that shouldn't excuse the guy from not selling you an animal you expected. I don't have problems with people who make mistakes, but when someone lies to you, it should probably bother you a little bit. I know it bothered me, and I'm not even the one who got scammed.

If you want to purchase from this guy again in the future, than that's your choice. I can almost guarantee that you will be lied to again. The cinny is nice, but I too would double check the sex.

Best of luck

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Originally Posted by Anthony Renna

Yeah the guy is a good guy he put it next to his pastel enchi and it looks good to me

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I'm not trying to be rude here, so I apologize if I come across the wrong way. I'm just really confused....

Black back enchis still look like enchis....Black back nomals, just look like black back normals..... A number of us didn't see any enchi in the original post snake.
And if the snake in the original post was put next to the pastel enchi and looked fine, it makes me wonder what the pastel enchi looked like :confusd:
If it resembled the snake in the OP, then I'm having difficulty imaging that it was a pastel enchi. :confusd::confusd::confusd:


Well. I think we all did our part and gave our opinions on the matter. In the end, it's your decision to take it or leave it. If you're happy, then you're happy. We can't tell you what to do.
Good luck with your Cinny and your future transactions with the guy.