Spider gene?.?.?

IK that spiders have the "wobble",
But is this something they grow out of :confusd:?
I am just so nervous with spiders, does this affect offspring?
How about bumblebees or any of the bee lines, do they have the wobble?

Any input is appriciated :colbert2:

Anything with the spider gene in it will have the wobbles. it can show up or go away at any time in their life. Any offspring that are spiders or a combo with spider in it will also have it. Morphs that do not include the spider genetics that are produced by a spider will not have the wobble.

Wobble really isn't anything to be worried about. it is very rare for the wobble to be anything negative to the snake. It is something to keep in mind but really most spiders don't have any issues and live ling happy lives.

My spider has NEVER exhibited ANY wobble. I've also never seen a spider in person that has a wobble, but I know that the wobble is out there. As Aaron said, anything combo with the spider gene, and any spider, CAN exhibit a wobble, but it isn't a guarantee.

To add to what the above posters said, not only is it very rare for it to have a negative effect, I have only herd one person make a claim they had a spider with a wobble so bad, it could not thrive. Only one person, the rest of the multi thousands of spiders have done just fine.

I also have a spider that I have never seen exhibit any wobble, She gave us eggs last year and her offspring however show it sometimes. The bumblebee het hypo we kept from her, we named rollercoaster. He exhibits the wobble way above what I would call average. He still eats, poops, sheds just fine, just moves a little goofy most of the time. He might grow out of it, He show it more, but I have no doubt in my mind he will live a long happy life in captivity. Hopefully this year he breeds for me :)

here is something I put together http://www.owalreptiles.com/spider.php

Don't be afraid to get the spider gene! They are the best! I have a bumblebee who had just a touch of wobble when I very first got her. And only at feeding time. I think because she was stressed, hatchling in a new place. Only lasted a few weeks. I have never seen it again, and she is about a year and a half old. She is also one of the sweetest snakes in my collection. People like to really debate this whole spider issue, but honestly if they couldn't survive with it, there wouldn't he so many of them around. Granted there are a few "train wreck" ones around, but I have only seen a handful of them on you tube. I love them, and my breeding plans in the next few years all include the spider gene.


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Thank you everyone. :)
I have one adult male YB Spider and he is my best breeder, he has never showed the wobble.
I recently got a female spider baby and she doesn't do it much only when she is over excited.

But then this week, I rescued a spider from someone that could not keep or take care of him and he has it severely, I was very worried about him.
But I got him set up in a clean new environment and got a meal in him and he has shed and just after about 3-4 days he is looking much better and doing less of the wobble.

So is true that it can go away? Could I use him as a breeder?

Every spider has the wobble at some point or forever. My spider has a slight wobble when feeding, and my killer bee has a slight wobble. Personally, I wouldn't breed an animal that had a really bad wobble but that goes without saying that a spider that has virtually no wobble will not necessarily produce animals that also have no wobble. It could be the complete opposite.

Just be smart about your breeding pairs. Don't breed an animal that has obvious problems that could potentially be avoided by not breeding them. Strive to produce high quality animals with minimal defects/neurological problems.

I know there are plenty of people out there who are very scared by the spider wobble and refuse to produce anything with the spider gene because it is a "defect".

Wobble can show up or go away at any time. I wouldn't breed a spider that displayed severe wobble at any point in its life.

Firstly, EVERY spider has some degree of 'wobble' which flare up at points in its life, and go away to nearly nothing.
Spider 'wobble' is the word used to describe a spider's inability to keep its head completely steady; often they have a very mild shakiness to them.
Spiders also have a tendency to have issues with equilibrium and often do not keep their heads completely level, or in worse cases their head will "spin" while they try to figure out which way is up/down. Another ailment that comes with the spider genetics is called "stargazing" which describes the snake staring up at the ceiling of the enclosure with its head extended outward. The wobble is directly linked to the gene; this means there is no way to breed out the gene to have literally zero wobble. The severity of the wobble is not genetic, and completely variable. A spider with a severe wobble can produce offspring that have minimal wobble, and spiders with minimal wobble can produce offspring with severe wobble. Trying to line breed 'minimal wobble' spiders is a waste of time since the severity of the wobble is random. I will say that I have only seen one or two spiders that I will say had a severe wobble, and that didn't stop them from living out an otherwise normal life.

NONE of the above issues are of serious concern, or are lethal in any way. There has only been 1 spider that was recorded as being so bad that it could not function normally (as was already mentioned by another member). I have had the pleasure of working with/had first hand experience handling many spiders and spider combos and I can tell you not one of them was so bad that it raised concern. ALL of them did show the typical symptoms (which if you have worked with enough balls, any person can pick up a snake with spider in it and find the wobble) but none were severe.

Spiders do have some pros that people should talk about,
Along with the nerve issues causing wobble, spiders also seem to be more "mechanical" and instinct driven than other ball pythons. They tend to be calmer, and much more focused on the simple things like feeding and breeding. Spider ball pythons are AMAZING feeders on average. Once they start eating, they eat well, and continue to eat well. Most breeders will confirm that working with spiders and spider morphs makes life easier. Spiders also tend to be quick to breed, and consistant breeders. Males are known to breed young, and know what they are doing almost immediately, whereas some ball python males are reluctant to breed the first few tries. Lastly, Lastly, spiders seem to be less concerned with being handled and often seem to have no discrepancy with being moved about by hand. It is almost as though their brain is also thinking "Food, Breed, Food, Breed, Food, Breed" and unless there is a meal infront of them, or a snake to lock with, they are just relaxed.


Hope that helps!

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Originally Posted by TJ_Burton

Spiders do have some pros that people should talk about,
Along with the nerve issues causing wobble, spiders also seem to be more "mechanical" and instinct driven than other ball pythons. They tend to be calmer, and much more focused on the simple things like feeding and breeding. Spider ball pythons are AMAZING feeders on average. Once they start eating, they eat well, and continue to eat well. Most breeders will confirm that working with spiders and spider morphs makes life easier. Spiders also tend to be quick to breed, and consistant breeders. Males are known to breed young, and know what they are doing almost immediately, whereas some ball python males are reluctant to breed the first few tries. Lastly, Lastly, spiders seem to be less concerned with being handled and often seem to have no discrepancy with being moved about by hand. It is almost as though their brain is also thinking "Food, Breed, Food, Breed, Food, Breed" and unless there is a meal infront of them, or a snake to lock with, they are just relaxed.

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I do agree with this, my spider is the easiest to deal with bar none.

They ALL wobble it can be from very slight (leading some owners to believe their's don't wobble) to severe (rare), it is present in any mustation with the spider gene, it cannot be bred out.

Wobble can be slight and become more severe and vice versa, slight wobbler have and can produced severe wobblers and vice versa.

Temperture and stress can affect wobbling as well.

In the vast majority of cases it is mild to moderate and does not affect their life at all.

Bottome line Spiders are not for everyone, do your research, know what to expect and decide whether or not this is something you wish to work with.

I have never let this deter me from working with Spider.

I have produced close to 100 spiders over the last 5 years, and have yet to produce one that I thought would need to be put down due to the "Wobble". That being said I have produced a few animals that are bad wobblers and some that aren't. In the end it's all with what you're comfortable dealing with. Spider make some of the best combos in my opinion but I also understand when people say they wish to reframe from working with them.

You'll need to do some research and figure out if the chance of a train wreck wobbler is worth you breeding them and having to keep one or two for life because they are Train Wrecks..

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I do agree with this, my spider is the easiest to deal with bar none.

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Same with my bee.


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