The Meanest Baby Morphs!

I'm pretty sure it is the individual Ball python, but for fun I wanted to know wht other thought:
What types of BP's in your experiences were the most aggressive. Pinstripes are my favorite morph, but I always end up with a super-aggressive one!

Dark morphs..I gotten some Cinni's and a pewter that are just terriable mean.. they eat great but they are just rude..

I don't think a certain morph is more aggressive, I worked at 2 different reptile places and had to clean 300+ normal Ghana import baby ball pythons each week and got bit by quite a lot of them.

My buddies cinny is angry all the time but I think it is just the snake, not the morph.

My cinni girl can be moody sometimes. Not aggressive necessarily, just moody. I always joke that shes PMSing lol. (no offense ladies!)

My Blck Pewter little guy is hissy and alwys annoyed. But he is a great eater so I figure I will just hve to live with tha attitude :)

I have a black pastel female and she is a lover. All my babies are lovers. Maybe I just got lucky

My male cinni is a talker! He hisses at every little thing. He hasnt tagged me yet but he strikes occasionally!
Now my yellow belly is just plain mean! He strikes at everything that moves! He will even bite a f/t rat about 10 times before he finally coils it!
My pinstripe is a sweetheart! He was a problem feeder when I got him and I always joked that he was to polite to eat!

Cinnamons.... seem to be the nippiest at shows, my lil guy still makes me think he might take a bite on occasion.

Het pieds are teh evil.

Funny, I have heard before people say the darker morphs seem to be the meaner ones.

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Cinnamons and black pastels are snappy as babies!

I've had 4 BPs in my time. 2 of them were 3 foot juveniles and the 2 babies I have now. None of which have ever struck or hissed at me. I wonder if them all being normals have anything to do with it? Also all of them had a decorated terrarium, I've never had snakes in plastic tubs. That may have something to do with it.

My cinny boy is as mean as a rattlesnake. he tries to bite me every time i go in his tub. even wags his tail in the wood chips to make noise like a rattler.

I've produced a bunch of different morphs and none seem any more prone to biting than any other.
I've been bitten by yellowbelly's, pewters, cinny's normals, black pastels and on and on...lol
Cinnies do seem to get a bad rap more than any other though :rofl:

I've also heard that Deserts can be mean little buggers! I'm thinking of Justin Kobylka's video on a nippy clutch of Deserts he had right now :rolleyes:.

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Originally Posted by HerpsForDerps

I've also heard that Deserts can be mean little buggers! I'm thinking of Justin Kobylka's video on a nippy clutch of Deserts he had right now :rolleyes:.

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Why the heck is anyone even messing with Deserts anymore?? I saw female Desert Spider Enchi's going for $400 labeled as pets at the last Repticon in my area.

My cinnie girl is still a bit vocal and can be nippy at times. When she first got in she tagged me a bunch! My calico has never been a biter but boy she sure is vocal. Her posture often indicates that she is going to strike but I figured I would have to just see what happens and to this day she has never struck. Shes all talk! But I am super attached to her. My enchi is still pretty nervous when I handle her and she is still a bit nippy too.

Based on my personal experience I would say I've noticed that Cinnies/Black Pastel's are the worst, then maybe spiders.

My Black Pastel is a sweetheart. Didn't even hiss when I took her off her eggs.

I'm not sure if I have had any specific morphs be more aggressive than others. I can tell you that the male Super Stripe I just picked up is 'hellish', makes some of my mean girls look like puppy dogs. I'll just walk by the racks and I'll hear him hissing, pull the tub out and you'd swear he could fly. ;)

My het albino is my meanest. He doesnt really hiss hes bitten my husband a few times. Hes not really mean just nervous. I guess i say hes mean because my other 2 are complete sweethearts!

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My black pastels are sweeties, though.

My cinny pewter was a MEAN yearling. She knew how to make it hurt. So I would have said it must just be a cinny trait, but she just hatched a cinny poss het pied and a pewter poss het pied, and those two don't seem to be biters. (Yet.)

My mojo females are the mean ones! My sub adult is really vocal and my hatchling will come out of her tub at you just for looking at her!

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I believe temperament is heritable (all experiments certainly support that), and only hold back docile animals. An aggressive/overly defensive snake is a deal-breaker for me.

My cinnie het albino girl is fine, nothing unusual about her temperament. My cinnie breeder male is also docile.

Out of hatchlings, I have found it follows clutch lines more than morph lines. Some pairings produce more aggressive hatchlings than others. Most of the babies will calm down with age, either way.

I believe if cinnamons or black pastels tend to be more aggressive, it's because people have been breeding aggressive ones.
I've yet to encounter a morph in which the general tendency is for increased aggression, it's always down to bloodlines, not morph genes.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

I believe temperament is heritable (all experiments certainly support that), and only hold back docile animals. An aggressive/overly defensive snake is a deal-breaker for me.

My cinnie het albino girl is fine, nothing unusual about her temperament. My cinnie breeder male is also docile.

Out of hatchlings, I have found it follows clutch lines more than morph lines. Some pairings produce more aggressive hatchlings than others. Most of the babies will calm down with age, either way.

I believe if cinnamons or black pastels tend to be more aggressive, it's because people have been breeding aggressive ones.
I've yet to encounter a morph in which the general tendency is for increased aggression, it's always down to bloodlines, not morph genes.

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This makes a lot of sense. :gj:

Like most of yall, our black pastel/cinnies have been abnormally aggressive. This year we had two clutches sired by our grumpy old black pastel and his babies definitely inherited his attitude, every last one, even the normals.

My Pewter and Lesser Cinny are by far the meanest of my snakes. They're also the only ones that have actually struck at me. My ghost is a little scary but she's flighty, not defensive.

No bites yet ;)

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I wonder how many people who keep other snakes besides BPs are looking at this thread and laughing

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Originally Posted by MrLang

I wonder how many people who keep other snakes besides BPs are looking at this thread and laughing

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You make a good point! :gj:

We keep amazon tree boas as well, so we know mean snakes quite well. We have only had one ball who was even remotely as mean as them. She is a normal that we hatched out this year that was sired by our black pastel. I don't even like opening her tub because she launches herself out every time. She means business too and is NOT bluffing. We can't even give her away. :D

How many of us are mistaking a strong feeding response for aggression? None of my snakes are what I would consider mean, but I have a couple of young snakes that are bottomless pits, and are aggressively slithering out of their tubs as soon as I open them. Even a caress with a snake hook won't get my Sulfur female out of feed mode. I swear she would eat every day if I let her.

Well it was my pastel, then she hit 600g and settled out a lot, then it was my pin, then she hit 500g and settled a lot, now its my YB weighing in at 72g.....

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Well it was my pastel, then she hit 600g and settled out a lot, then it was my pin, then she hit 500g and settled a lot, now its my YB weighing in at 72g.....

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Better hurry up and feed her more :D

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Originally Posted by TheSnakeGuy

I've had 4 BPs in my time. 2 of them were 3 foot juveniles and the 2 babies I have now. None of which have ever struck or hissed at me. I wonder if them all being normals have anything to do with it? Also all of them had a decorated terrarium, I've never had snakes in plastic tubs. That may have something to do with it.

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Has nothing to do with it. ;)

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

I believe temperament is heritable (all experiments certainly support that), and only hold back docile animals. An aggressive/overly defensive snake is a deal-breaker for me.

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What experiments?
Links to such?
I have seen some very aggressive babies come from completely docile adult females and vice versa.
Unless someone kept them in exactly the same environments and held them the same amount of time and fed them the same meals in the same manner, etc etc..
I doubt anyone has taken the time to do a meaningful "scientific" experiment.

I've yet to see an aggressive baby that couldn't be tamed into a completely docile adult...

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

What experiments?
Links to such?
I have seen some very aggressive babies come from completely docile adult females and vice versa.
Unless someone kept them in exactly the same environments and held them the same amount of time and fed them the same meals in the same manner, etc etc..
I doubt anyone has taken the time to do a meaningful "scientific" experiment.

I've yet to see an aggressive baby that couldn't be tamed into a completely docile adult...

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Agreed 100%

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I have had aggressive normals, yb's, pastels, chocolates, and all of them have calmed down over time. Now my female albino is puppy dog tame with my children, two girls, but bites me every time i pick her up or put her down. I think she just has it out for me, lol. My cinny is a big puppy and my ghost is a very flighty guy, both have an enormous feeding response. rats in the air don't open their cage unless you want on their menu.

But no individual morph has been overly aggressive in my experience.

I have a 2400 gram pastel and he will hiss almost every time i go near him. He will buck up his back and sometimes he will even wiggle himself out of your hand. Once you do have him, he will be like a puppy. You can even rub his head.