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Take a gander....
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All awesome.. i especially love the last one!
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2nd thread of the day where I have felt that this gif most accurately captures my response:
http://i.imgur.com/UmpOi.gif
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My thoughts are "You dont want those, send them to meeee!"
Hahaha, nice lookin balls! What are they or what was the pairing?
I see a pewter, a super pewter, maybe some fader in there? No clue, but theyre hot!
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Originally Posted by MrLang
Lol.
Op, what are those???? Besides crazy cool.
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More urban camo shenanigans? :D Sooo schmexy... :eyepoppin
Edit: By shenanigans I mean more outcomes from the combos. super pewter / het pieds etc ^_^
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Pewter, sterling, super pewter, all het pied? What was the pairing?
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I guess that last one could be a bullet not a super pewter.
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I believe the last one is Urban Camo?
No matter what they are, they are absolutely gorgeous Brandon. :) Especially that last one. I love the white coming up on its sides. :D
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Oh man those are lovely! I got rack space if you need me to hold em for ya... :D
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Sterling
Sterling
Sterling
Sterling
Super
Super
Silver
Unless my calculations are off, there cannot be any Pewters. This was from Super Pewter(Urban Camo) X Pewter (original mother). I could be wrong though. As far as I know there is no "Fader" gene in the mix. I'm not exactly sure where or when the Fader was first discovered, but I have raised, and still own, all animals that I've used in this project. These animals appear to have more fading that any Fader I've seen, but I can honestly say I haven't paid a ton of attention to that project. Having worked with some nice Vanishing Patter Hondurans, these remind me more of a vanishing behavior. There was another Super Pewter but it is unfortunately kinked beyond words. All other animals are fine and looking better than I could have imagined. Please feel free to help me understand the Fader gene a little more. With a full-time job, a 9 month old, and more animals than I can count, it's hard for me to keep up.
To add to the topic, we have another clutch from Super Pewter (UC) X het Pied due next week. Hopefully this will prove or disprove the het Pied theory. We are still going to pair him with more Pieds down the road to make certain.
Thanks again for the kind words.
Brandon Osborne
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Those. Are. Hot.
Enough said.
Okay, not quite. They're gorgeous. I am more impressed every day with the combinations BPs are STILL making.
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Re: Take a gander....
Whoa.... is it just me or do those snakes have blue necks?
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Originally Posted by BWyant
Whoa.... is it just me or do those snakes have blue necks?
I think its a combo of the morph/lighting but they look like they have a slight blueish tinge to them imo too...
Orrrrr were just colour blind lol!
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Re: Take a gander....
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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne
Sterling
Sterling
Sterling
Sterling
Super
Super
Silver
Unless my calculations are off, there cannot be any Pewters. This was from Super Pewter(Urban Camo) X Pewter (original mother). I could be wrong though.
I say this with the utmost respect for you and this rokken project, but I believe your calculations may be off. Pewters are not homozygous for pastel, so the dam isn't guaranteed to have thrown a pastel gene and you could have some pewters in there. (However, everything should be a pewter at a minimum, as the sire was homozygous for both cinny and pastel.)
Like this:
| Male: |
Super Pewter |
| Female: |
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| Percent |
Fraction |
Traits |
| 25% |
1/4 |
Super Pewter |
| 25% |
1/4 |
Sterling Pastel |
| 25% |
1/4 |
Silver Bullet |
| 25% |
1/4 |
Pewter |
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That being said, the only one that even look a bit pewter-ish to me is the 1st one, and even with him, I couldn't say 100% ... He just looks a lot darker than his sterling sibs in the picture. Pretty awesome clutch!!
So is that degree of wacky, broken pattern normal for silver bullets, or do you think the really cool one in the last picture has some "urban camo" influence?
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Re: Take a gander....
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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana
I say this with the utmost respect for you and this rokken project, but I believe your calculations may be off. Pewters are not homozygous for pastel, so the dam isn't guaranteed to have thrown a pastel gene and you could have some pewters in there. (However, everything should be a pewter at a minimum, as the sire was homozygous for both cinny and pastel.)
Like this:
| Male: |
Super Pewter |
| Female: |
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| Percent |
Fraction |
Traits |
| 25% |
1/4 |
Super Pewter |
| 25% |
1/4 |
Sterling Pastel |
| 25% |
1/4 |
Silver Bullet |
| 25% |
1/4 |
Pewter |
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That being said, the only one that even look a bit pewter-ish to me is the 1st one, and even with him, I couldn't say 100% ... He just looks a lot darker than his sterling sibs in the picture. Pretty awesome clutch!!
So is that degree of wacky, broken pattern normal for silver bullets, or do you think the really cool one in the last picture has some "urban camo" influence?
I appreciate the clarification. I wasn't exactly sure of the possibilities. The pics are actually a little darker than the snakes really are, but iPhones aren't the best for capturing true color.
As for the silver bullet, I believe there is definitely some "urban camo" influence happening. What I'm really stumped about is the super fading some of these animals have. I've seen mention of a vanishing pattern gene floating around and wonder if I have something similar in the works.
Thanks again for the help.
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"Hopefully this will prove or disprove the het Pied theory"
What het pied theory do you speak of?
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Very nice. My first thoughts were 'Finally, a REAL fader'
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Re: Take a gander....
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Originally Posted by Tzeentch
"Hopefully this will prove or disprove the het Pied theory"
What het pied theory do you speak of?
The theory of the het pied gene causing the disruption in the silver bullet and super pewters...among others.
2012
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...C6DD2E34C7.jpg
2011
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF2471.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF2250.jpg
2010
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF2456.jpg
None of these animals are pied or 100% het pied. It is our theory that the het pied gene may be expressed in these animals. I can pick out het pieds from my possible het animals....so far I've been 100%. There are plenty of markers.
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The Urban Camo is one of my favorite snakes of all time, and it is fascinating to see your project develop. Vanishing pattern is a great way to describe what is going on. It will be interesting to see if it's a het pied phenomenon and/or something more. Thanks for sharing the pics and keeping us updated. Good luck!
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Re: Take a gander....
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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne
None of these animals are pied or 100% het pied. It is our theory that the het pied gene may be expressed in these animals. I can pick out het pieds from my possible het animals....so far I've been 100%. There are plenty of markers.
And I hope that Mo helps keep you at 100%!!! :gj:
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Oh wow..... This is def a project I hope to get into one day.
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