Het Albino Male Just Shed *PICS*

I never got any decent pictures of my male het albino, so I took him out for a short photoshoot yesterday after a nice clean shed. Here they are:

http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v...alehet-009.jpg

http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v...alehet-008.jpg

http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v...ul/malehet.jpg

:D Thanks for looking.
Jennifer

He's GREAT looking! LOVE his pattern! Where'd you get him?

nice weight and size!! also the pattern is great!

How long is he Jennifer? He's certainly a healthy looking guy!

Thanks! I got him from The Snake Keeper. He's almost 400 grams, about 20-22 inches long. A slow grower, but at a steady pace.

400 grams at 20-22" is certainly nothing to be embarassed about. Sounds like he'll definitely be ready to breed for you next season. Sooner or later I hope to get a snake or two from the Sutherlands as well, but that's still a ways off.

Wow, he's beautiful!

WOWEEEEE! Come to think of it mine has white between black and brown. Does that make him like a het albino or something? I'm just dreaming :roll:

Lots of black on that guy, Jen! He should throw some sweet albinos!

Thanks guys! :) Yeah, what really attracted me to him was all that black. I thought he was really cool lookin'. The snake in my avatar is the het albino female he'll be breeding with in a year or so. If you notice, she has a lot of orange, so that should be a cool cross. You know I'll be showing any little albinos I happen to get in the future from these two. ;)

Jennifer

Very nice, Jen! Good luck producing the freaks! ;)

LOL...Don't worry, they won't go through photoshoots in the AZ sun. ;)

Good to know, LOL. :D

That is one GOOD l 8) 8) king snake!

I was wondering if someone could explain or help me out with the whole HET thing. Does this mean that when that snake breeds it will produce a certain number of albinos? Do you have to breed het to het or can you breed het to normal? Do you get albinos from albino to albino?

Albino x albino = albino
Albino x het = albino + het
Albino x normal = het
Het x het = albino + normal
Poss het x poss het = poss het + albino if you are lucky
Het x normal = poss het
Poss het x normal = poss het

Poss het means it MAY be carrying a gene for a recessive trait but it looks like a normal
Het means it came from an animal definitely displaying the recessive gene and a normal, het, or poss het animal and therefore IS carrying the recessive gene OR it has been bred and produced a recessive offspring

Does that help?

wow, thank you marla.

You are welcome. We will now return to our regularly scheduled off-topic programming. ;)

marla can you help and go one step further with this because this gets worse ok if you have a 50 or 66% possible het male and het female breed them you get a possible het and maybe get lucky with a whatever your breeding say an albino and great you one the prize thats ok now say you don't get lucky and their all hets now heres were i get lost you raise the females up from the clutch and breed them back to the male to get?????????????? can you please take your chart maybe a step or two further out for us non matchmakers thanks :)

Very beautiful!

Lovely patterns!

Thanks! :)

s6g2p: I may be able to help explain it for you. OK, if you breed a 50% PH or 66% PH to a 100% het albino, it depends on if the PH's prove out to BE hets. If the PH is a HET, it should statistically prove out that first breeding, given that the 100% IS a TRUE het (lots of scammers out now a days...). By "prove out the first breeding" I mean that there will be an albino in that clutch (given that there are at least 4 eggs in the clutch) if the PH is a het. If you do not get an albino in the first clutch produced by these two animals, you can always try a couple more times; but chances are that the PH is not a het after all.

This is all STATISTICAL though, and is not always the case. It is just how the Punnett Square adds things up. ;)

Jennifer

Oh, I forgot to answer the other question. (Got sidetracked) DOH! lol...Ok..

What you are going to want to do if you get no albinos in the clutch (and you want to prove out the PH) is breed the opposite gender babies back to the PH. If you just want an albino, and you aren't really trying to prove out the PH, breed the opposite gender babies back to the 100% het, and at least one of those offspring SHOULD be a het (if the 100% het parent is a male, and you are breeding him to all the female offspring you have more of a chance to get albinos). Hope that didn't sound too confusing.

Jennifer

This link explained it to me pretty well:

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/genetics_intro.html

What is meant by HET Albino? Is that when there is white along the body? My Arnie has white on him like Jennifer's snake.

No, "het" is a shortened form of the genetics term "heterozygous". Basically, for diploid creatures (including humans and ball pythons), there are a pair of alleles for each trait. If both of the alleles are the same, then the animal is homozygous for the trait, but if they are different, the animal is heterozygous.

For albino, then, if the alleles are aa for an albino and AA for a normal not carrying the allele, if you cross them, all their offspring will be Aa and will look normal but can produce albinos when bred to an abino or another animal with Aa. The aa albino and AA normal are both homozygous, because they have a matched set, but the Aa offspring are heterozygous.

Sometimes we don't know for certain if an animal is Aa or aa, so we call it a "poss het" or "possibly heterozygous" and usually give the statistical chances of the animal's being "het", as in a "50% het albino". A 50% het albino would be what you would get if you crossed a definite het (Aa) with a definite normal (AA), because statistically, half the offspring would be normal and half would be carriers for the recessive trait, but all would look normal.

Thats a good explanaition, thank you. Its been somewhat confusing to me but that clears things up. A quick question though: How would offspring be considered 66% (Ive seen people claim that) Is it just that one of two of the offspring have been proven normal therefore increasing the likelyhood that the others are hets?

Edit- OOOOH nm. That punnett square exlains things nicely

Edit #2- If you were to breed an albino to an albino, you wouldnt have 100% albinos would you? How does that work?

Now say that again in English :lol:
Thanks Marla.

I hope that was close enough to English. :) It's difficult to explain genetics without either using their terms or underexplaining.

Green Man, glad you figured it out from the Punnett Square. Yes, with ball pythons and any other diploid animal in which albinism is a recessive trait, albino x albino = 100% albino offspring.

thats awesome! I want to start breeding! lol

its a beauty, i love that pattern and the pics are not bad...very nice

Carnivoro

How do you know if your ball python is a het or not?

You don't know if its a het by looking at it. You just have to take the breeders word and hope that hey are telling you the truth.
I also have a Het Albino Male from the snakekeeper, hey maybe they are brothers, lol. Mine looks just like yours. Dave.

He is great looking. How is his personality? I just got a het albino for fathers day, its nice picking out your gift, and he is a grumpy snake.

He's got the personality of a blood python, lol. He's a mean one. By far the meanest of my collection. But that's ok, he's going to produce a beautiful snake one day (hopefully next year). :)

Jennifer

That is the way I look at it. He is mean but his babies will be awsome. I shouldn't say mean he is just grumpy but he is coming around a little since i started handling him.

yeah same here i wuld like to know too, my ball has some white on him too does it mean he is "het albino"

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Originally Posted by Brandon.O

yeah same here i wuld like to know too, my ball has some white on him too does it mean he is "het albino"

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No. You cannot tell by looking at them. You would have to buy it from a breeder who says it is a het, and they are considerably more expensive.