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  • 09-20-2012, 04:32 AM
    BP Newbie
    Panda Pied
    Saw one on YouTube and about fell out of my chair. Has anyone bred one of those beautiful things?

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  • 09-20-2012, 04:41 AM
    irishanaconda
    Re: Panda Pied
    im sure there are ppl on here who either hit on a panda pied, or are trying to this next season. Black pastel het pied X black pastel het pied (or cinny hets)
  • 09-20-2012, 05:50 AM
    rabernet
    I believe that there's something that's wrong with them. The original was made over 3 or 4 years ago, and no one else has produced one. At least not one that has been shown. Why is that? Are they not surviving? Are they tweaked? In the 4 years since the first was created, NO ONE else has made one to show? Makes you go hmmmmmm.

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  • 09-20-2012, 09:12 AM
    JLC
    Here's something new about panda pieds...hot off the presses...

    http://thereptilereport.com/white-panda/
  • 09-20-2012, 09:40 AM
    Foschi Exotic Serpents
    That's interesting.. Wasn't there something somewhere that said they thought the original panda pied turned out to be a black pastel pied and not a super black pastel pied?

    Or am I just confusing the facts.
  • 09-20-2012, 11:39 AM
    JLC
    Re: Panda Pied
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents View Post
    That's interesting.. Wasn't there something somewhere that said they thought the original panda pied turned out to be a black pastel pied and not a super black pastel pied?

    Or am I just confusing the facts.

    I think you're remembering a recent practical joke in which a breeder posted a picture that looked like a panda pied, but turned out to be a simple black pastel pied.
    http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ond-panda-pied
  • 09-20-2012, 11:54 AM
    satomi325
    Re: Panda Pied
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents View Post
    That's interesting.. Wasn't there something somewhere that said they thought the original panda pied turned out to be a black pastel pied and not a super black pastel pied?

    Or am I just confusing the facts.

    I think I said that.
    My friend has the brother Black Pastel het Pied to the original Panda.
    He and the Panda breeder are friends and have recently discussed that the Panda might not even be a Super Black Pastel Pied.
    It might just be an extreme ringer Black Pastel Pied. The Black Pastel het Pied is a ringer too.


    And maybe from the Super Black Pastel genetic problems such as kinking, perhaps all Super Black Pastel Pieds since the Panda have simply not survived or had to be euthanized. I wouldn't doubt it.
  • 09-20-2012, 03:51 PM
    BP Newbie
    Re: Panda Pied
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by satomi325 View Post
    I think I said that.
    My friend has the brother Black Pastel het Pied to the original Panda.
    He and the Panda breeder are friends and have recently discussed that the Panda might not even be a Super Black Pastel Pied.
    It might just be an extreme ringer Black Pastel Pied. The Black Pastel het Pied is a ringer too.


    And maybe from the Super Black Pastel genetic problems such as kinking, perhaps all Super Black Pastel Pieds since the Panda have simply not survived or had to be euthanized. I wouldn't doubt it.

    :( They're so awesome looking!!!
  • 09-20-2012, 05:08 PM
    GoldSheep
    Re: Panda Pied
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by satomi325 View Post
    I think I said that.
    My friend has the brother Black Pastel het Pied to the original Panda.
    He and the Panda breeder are friends and have recently discussed that the Panda might not even be a Super Black Pastel Pied.
    It might just be an extreme ringer Black Pastel Pied. The Black Pastel het Pied is a ringer too.


    And maybe from the Super Black Pastel genetic problems such as kinking, perhaps all Super Black Pastel Pieds since the Panda have simply not survived or had to be euthanized. I wouldn't doubt it.

    Then the genetics should be pied to cinnamon and in the same season black pastel to a pied, then the results could be bred together... then you could hit on a good panda? Be one freaking expensive animal though 'cause of the chances of hitting it and the cost of getting all animals involved.
  • 09-20-2012, 05:10 PM
    MrLang
    I assume they are rare because you need to hit the odds on the genes and NOT hit the pretty high odds on a deformed/fatal super black.
  • 09-20-2012, 11:15 PM
    irishanaconda
    interesting, damn all white snakes, throw some enchi into it peeps lol
  • 09-21-2012, 12:13 AM
    loonunit
    If the original panda hatches normals, then we'll know she's not a super. She should be breeding size now.

    ...but the black pastel pieds I've seen do seem to be generally lower white than the cinny pieds. Still generally very high white, but they usually have SOME pattern, and the cinny pieds rarely do. I don't think you can get anything BUT a white panda from a super cinny, unless you get an extreme ringer het.

    ps. I propose calling the cinny pieds something different. The nomenclature is confusing.
  • 09-21-2012, 12:22 AM
    WingedWolfPsion
    Hm, what's brown an white?

    Pronghorn pied? Maybe it should just be a cow pied. http://image.shutterstock.com/displa...g-71949634.jpg
  • 09-21-2012, 12:32 AM
    RandyRemington
    I hope to try for super chocolate pied next year. Not sure they will live up to the 50/50 black and white of a panda bear but of course that's what I'm hoping for.
  • 09-21-2012, 02:36 AM
    loonunit
    Re: Panda Pied
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion View Post
    Hm, what's brown an white?

    Pronghorn pied? Maybe it should just be a cow pied.

    YES. THIS. This is what I was hoping for all along!

    :) :) :) :) :)
  • 09-21-2012, 09:39 AM
    Brandon Osborne
    Re: Panda Pied
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by irishanaconda View Post
    interesting, damn all white snakes, throw some enchi into it peeps lol

    My Enchi pos het male has been locking with our Sterling/pewter pied girl. It was my exact thought when I first saw Enchi pieds.

    - - - Updated - - -

    To the person that hatched the "super cinny" pied, just wait until it gets bigger. They are not ALL WHITE snakes. That thing is going to look like a Dalmatian as an adult.
  • 09-23-2012, 07:05 PM
    irishanaconda
  • 09-23-2012, 07:29 PM
    Annarose15
    Re: Panda Pied
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MrLang View Post
    I assume they are rare because you need to hit the odds on the genes and NOT hit the pretty high odds on a deformed/fatal super black.

    Since when are the super black pastels fatal? Duck-billed, maybe; fatal, no.
  • 09-23-2012, 07:33 PM
    satomi325
    Re: Panda Pied
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Annarose15 View Post
    Since when are the super black pastels fatal? Duck-billed, maybe; fatal, no.

    Maybe not fatal in the aspect of "lethal". But they have a high possibility of kinks, which is potentially dangerous depending on the severity.
  • 09-23-2012, 08:48 PM
    West Coast Jungle
    Many supers have defects. I myself have hatched one.
  • 11-02-2012, 09:25 PM
    ColinWeaver
    Re: Panda Pied
    After more than five years of working on it I hatched a perfectly healthy panda pied a few days ago. The same clutch also yielded a perfectly healthy super black pastel. For me this puts to bed many years of wondering whether or not I was going to be able to produce one that was healthy.

    For a long time I asked the "where are the pandas" question, too. The reality is that, until recently, very few female black pastel het pieds have ever been sold so the only real way to get one was to make it yourself. It wasn't until last year that I hatched my first visual black pastel pieds and they are only now breeder size. This means that almost everybody choosing to get into the project has been starting mostly from [female] scratch, raising their own animals and then doing black pastel het pied x black pastel het pied pairings (like I did). Those 1:16 odds are very long. This has been a very elusive snake because it is very hard to hit on such long odds.

    Ian Gniazdowski produced the first panda pied in 2008. To my knowledge the animal I hatched earlier this week is #2 (black pastel, not cinnamon). I fully expect that we will see more in the coming weeks. The original panda that Ian produced is the animal that is now in the collection of Michael Cole (last I heard, at least). That animal was and is spectacular and set a lot of people in motion on the project. I know I quadrupled my efforts after seeing that animal. I'm not sure where the suggestion that that snake was not a panda came from; having seen that animal in person and knowing a little bit about its lineage there is no reason to think that it is anything else. My best guess is that some people enjoy being speculative nay-sayers on such things.

    I'll post a picture of the snake after it sheds.

    Best,
  • 11-02-2012, 09:29 PM
    adamsky27
    I'll be looking forward to seeing that!
  • 11-02-2012, 09:46 PM
    EAC Reptiles
    I can't wait to see more pandas out there. I am wondering if a super mahogany pied will be like a panda?
  • 11-02-2012, 09:59 PM
    Marissa@MKmorphs
    Can't wait to see a post shed pic!


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  • 11-03-2012, 09:26 AM
    joebad976
    Re: Panda Pied
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ColinWeaver View Post
    I'll post a picture of the snake after it sheds.

    I'm subscribed...will be diligently waiting for post shed pic
  • 11-03-2012, 09:37 AM
    interloc
    I'm assuming it looks how we all want it too. Judging by your secretness! Hurry up and shed!


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  • 11-03-2012, 12:15 PM
    JLC
    Colin, that is an excellent point about why this combo has been so elusive. Thank you for shedding some more light on that subject, and thank you for the awesome update! Can't wait to see pictures!

    I just have one bone to pick with you....you didn't even give us a hint about what the animal looks like? Is it white with black blotches, at all? Or solid white, as some suggest they will be? Or is it your intent to make us wait in agony, as a hint of what breeders must endure when waiting for these eggs to hatch? :P

    :taz:
  • 11-04-2012, 01:38 AM
    irishanaconda
    i cheated and looked on his facebook lol
  • 11-04-2012, 07:26 PM
    adamsky27
    Re: Panda Pied
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by irishanaconda View Post
    i cheated and looked on his facebook lol

    I want to see the full body pic!
  • 11-08-2012, 04:54 PM
    canzoman
    Re: Panda Pied
    Good news.
  • 11-16-2012, 04:27 PM
    mschmied
    Ahhhh I have to see
  • 11-16-2012, 05:06 PM
    Marissa@MKmorphs
    Update?


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  • 11-18-2012, 07:44 AM
    RegiusCo
    Re: Panda Pied
    Quote:

    ps. I propose calling the cinny pieds something different. The nomenclature is confusing.
    Called a Red Panda

    Congrats Collin, where are the promised pics dude?
  • 11-18-2012, 12:45 PM
    jbean7916
    http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y21...worthless1.jpg

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  • 11-18-2012, 12:49 PM
    3skulls
    Still in shed? :p
  • 11-18-2012, 12:57 PM
    sorazme
    I also heard from Outback that they should be producing panda pieds, even some with additional genes. They said they just haven't been hitting the odds the past few years. But still looking forward to see this pic!
  • 11-18-2012, 01:55 PM
    loonunit
    Re: Panda Pied
    Quote:
    THANK you!
  • 11-18-2012, 11:10 PM
    Foschi Exotic Serpents
    Full body pic has been posted on FB ;)
  • 11-18-2012, 11:15 PM
    snakesRkewl
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