What do you think I am???

Picking this little girl up on saturday, could she be a pastel butter spider. What do you think??? She is still very young and I only have one pic of her waiting on more pics.

http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/...psc47c65c7.jpg

Oh dear, I hate to be the bearer of bad news...but that is not a bumblebee butter :(

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...le-bee-butter/

She just looks like a spider to me...am I missing something that a pro might catch?

looks like a regular spider. and make sure it's a she

Just noticed you said could she be, sorry. I don't believe she has butter in her. But I am not very experienced in morph ID.

no pastel, no butter and all spider.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

no pastel, no butter and all spider.

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Ok thanks
Im new to the morph thing as well and just don't want to get played again.
Apparently mother was a spider and father was a pastel butter.
So what would that make her?

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Originally Posted by RobertJR

Ok thanks
Im new to the morph thing as well and just don't want to get played again.
Apparently mother was a spider and father was a pastel butter.
So what would that make her?

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That would make her a spider.. Because that's what she is. You don't automatically get snakes that are a combo of everything that was in both parents when you breed. With that pairing the outcome could have been any number of butters, spiders, pastels, bumblebees, butterbees, or normals.

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Ok thanks
Im new to the morph thing as well and just don't want to get played again.
Apparently mother was a spider and father was a pastel butter.
So what would that make her?

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Hmm.. She's very bright, but not super high quality according to me. She has very distinct side markings. I'd like my spiders to be more reduced pattern. She's colorful, though. Congrats!
She is just one of the eggs the butter gene didn't get to. There is a certain chance in each egg to hit a multiple gene bp.

You won't get played if you only buy from reputable and known breeders. Doesn't matter if they are small time breeders like me, or the big guys like NERD, doing your homework on the seller will keep you from getting cheated.

I personally won't buy from anyone that I can't find references on. The BOI on fauna, their trader ratings, this forum here has an area for buyer/seller feedback. Even in Facebook there are plenty of reptile oriented groups where everyone knows everyone else and they always post about their purchases and sales. Not just the classifieds sections either. There are a lot of regional groups for reptiles so you should see if there is one geared towards your area.

When all else fails and you are not sure if a snake is what it's supposed to be, check world of ball pythons. If its not on there, and chances are it is, then we are here to help.

Oh ok
Just thought she was something else cause we have a spider and he has no yellow on him.
She has very nice markings on her like the bubbles on her spine and I'm getting her for 170$

You're paying the price for a female spider, and not a 3 gene animal. What did the breeder tell you she was? There's absolutely no pastel or butter in her.

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As everyone has said, that's a normal spider.

definitely not a bumblebee, in no way shape or form a butter spider. sorry.

If the pairing was Pastel Butter X spider your odds would be:

1/8 Normal
1/8 Spider
1/8 Pastel
1/8 Butter
1/8 Bumble Bee
1/8 Butter Spider
1/8 Butter Pastel
1/8 butter pastel spider

Seeing that the other two genes that went into the parental pairing were co-dominate, neither of those mutations can be carried in a recessive way. You have yourself a spider.

Cheers

Yup, spider. They can all vary in looks.

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Originally Posted by decensored

definitely not a bumblebee, in no way shape or form a butter spider. sorry.

If the pairing was Pastel Butter X spider your odds would be:

1/8 Normal
1/8 Spider
1/8 Pastel
1/8 Butter
1/8 Bumble Bee
1/8 Butter Spider
1/8 Butter Pastel
1/8 butter pastel spider

Seeing that the other two genes that went into the parental pairing were co-dominate, neither of those mutations can be carried in a recessive way. You have yourself a spider.

Cheers

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If you get one of the normals from this breeding and bred it to a normal would you get all normals? Or would that normal carry genes of a spider and maybe atleast one of the babies be a spider?

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If you get one of the normals from this breeding and bred it to a normal would you get all normals? Or would that normal carry genes of a spider and maybe atleast one of the babies be a spider?

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No, they would all be normal. Only spiders and spider combos can make spiders because its a dominant trait. Spend a little time playing around with the genetic calculator on www.worldofballpythons.com it will help to learn what makes what.

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Sounds like you are buying a spider female at a spider female price. The breeder may have told you the pairing that produced her, but I would hope did not intimate that she is anything else but a spider. All the morphs involved in the pairing (Spider, Butter, Pastel) are dominant or co-dominant traits. If a dominant or co-dominant trait is in there, you can see it. If you can't see it, it's not there.

ok thanks for all your out put on this everyone greatly appreciated.Ill start looking on the Ballpython.net to see, its a great site.

thanks

PS . does anyone know how i take the post of now. lol

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PS . does anyone know how i take the post of now. lol

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Off?
You don't take posts off of the forums, it's here FOREVER!! ;)

As has been said, spiders vary a lot, some have high white, some are low white, some have a lot of orange scales and some have very little orange if any.
The price your paying is pretty much retail price on a female spider, enjoy, she's nice.

oh ok thanks.
Thanks again for your replies.

Have a great day