paradox?i don't know...

new dude here,just saw a weird ball....share with you guys
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...44ea55a926.jpg
paradox ax? it was a normal, but the owner said after a shed, it ......

that so sweet looking does have a axanthix feel to it from the pic.

Never seen anything like that - very cool.

Looks like a juvenile axanthic on the sides and a normal on the dorsal.

I dunno' if you call that paradox or just something odd and really cool.

Is it for sale or what?

What the!?

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I want it!

If I'm reading your post correctly, this happened suddenly after a shed? Like he was a normal then he shed and got that color on his sides after? Just trying to be sure

more pics please!

That thing looks insane!

Buy it. Ask questions later.

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Originally Posted by Flikky

If I'm reading your post correctly, this happened suddenly after a shed? Like he was a normal then he shed and got that color on his sides after? Just trying to be sure

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yes ,so we are waiting it to shed again.i am trying to get the pic before the shed.if there are some, i'll post it later

sorry guys, there aren't any pics of the ball before shed.
don't treat it serious, just for fun:)

Some normals go through this.
There have been quite a few normals on this forum who have turned silvery grey. But they all turned back to their regular color eventually. They all still remain very normal.

If I recall this correctly, it was just due to lack of certain nutrients or something to maintain the color.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Some normals go through this.
There have been quite a few normals on this forum who have turned silvery grey. But they all turned back to their regular color eventually. They all still remain very normal.

If I recall this correctly, it was just due to lack of certain nutrients or something to maintain the color.

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I believe it can be caused by stress too. Snakes changing colors like that isnt crazy uncommon. Ive seen it on here a few times. During the breeding season females usually "glow before they go" so clearly color changing isnt impossible for balls.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

I believe it can be caused by stress too. Snakes changing colors like that isnt crazy uncommon. Ive seen it on here a few times. During the breeding season females usually "glow before they go" so clearly color changing isnt impossible for balls.

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Yes color changing is common in breeding females.
But it's a different cause in younger snakes not of breeding age.

The snake in the OPs post just shed like that. It's not 'glowing'. After reading a few threads, apparently there is spontaneous pigment change occasionally in some snakes...

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Originally Posted by JLC

It's like...while the new skin was developing right before the shedding process....the ink cartridge with the yellow/brown pigment went empty. She'll have to wait for a new shipment to come in before her color returns to normal.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

I guess it COULD be the IMG gene?

From what I've been reading, the gene can manifest in more than one way, and usually the ball pythons look normal at birth. It can take up to a couple of years to start showing up. Then they will start developing increasing pale/white patches on the sides, and black/dark scales on top or scattered into the pattern. OR they shed one day and overnight look like perfect axanthics (quite a shock), and then slowly start developing black scales and getting color back over time until they're super dark and dirty-looking.

Every once in a while someone talks about their ball python shedding out and turning grey, and then the color comes back after a few sheds.

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Here are other threads where snakes turned 'black and white'


http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...s-Pigment-Loss
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ee....question

Can it be lack of melanin due to a poor diet? Just trying to guess. Maybe has been fed with poorly fed rodents?

First thought is...NOT real, theres an app on the iPhone called COLOR SPLASH that u can grey out a pic and then add color back to where u want i and visa versa...

Yes it is odd, but yes it does happen from time to time. The theory is it's from feeding problems. Someone suggested theirs happened after a batch of very fatty rats.

I think it is interesting to say the least. But I don't think I'd want to experience it personally, it would scare me to death I think.

Gale

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Some normals go through this.
There have been quite a few normals on this forum who have turned silvery grey. But they all turned back to their regular color eventually. They all still remain very normal.

If I recall this correctly, it was just due to lack of certain nutrients or something to maintain the color.

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Just thinking "out loud" but wouldn't that end up happening to all the snakes fed by these rodents? If he has more than one snake and is feeding them all from the same rodent supply I would think it would be way more common at least in the same collection. Am I way off?

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Originally Posted by cecilbturtle

Just thinking "out loud" but wouldn't that end up happening to all the snakes fed by these rodents? If he has more than one snake and is feeding them all from the same rodent supply I would think it would be way more common at least in the same collection. Am I way off?

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Please refer to 4 posts above.
I did some extra reading on the subject and wrote the conclusion.


And if it were a feeding issue, not all snakes are the same. Certain individuals could have a deficient internal system that doesn't process nutrients correctly. Just a thought...

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sorry guys, there aren't any pics of the ball before shed.
don't treat it serious, just for fun:)

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I don't understand this statement is the pic altered or something? Or did this truly happen?

my guess is the snake is denatured. As in he used photoshop or some other program to turn the picture black and white, then decide what areas he wants to bring back colors in.

Regardless if it is photoshopped, extreme loss of pigment similar to the photo does actually happen......

Looks like something off color splash to me...like you black/white the sides..


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Originally Posted by satomi325

Regardless if it is photoshopped, extreme loss of pigment similar to the photo does actually happen......

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X2 There's a thread on this site about a spider that went from normal yellow to all grey within a few sheds. I'd search it, I don't recall what the title of it was.

I agree there is cases of snakes losing their color due to lack of nutrition, but its just weird that theres a doral stripe of color. and all the color would fade.

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Originally Posted by pigfat

looks like something off color splash to me...like you black/white the sides..


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I don't understand this statement is the pic altered or something? Or did this truly happen?

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this is true, what i meant was don't take it serious, maybe some people think it is a photoshop work and start argument or something.

I can understand that some who have never seen this phenomenon before would believe that the picture must be photoshopped, but based on my personal observations, I'm quite sure it is not. It's happened before, and the picture shown has all the same "markers" of such a change, as opposed to the actual altered picture that pigfat shared.

I've heard several different theories about why this change happens, but so far as I know, no one has any real answers. Could be nutritional. Could be hormonal. Could be chemical. One story I saw, a ball python was put into a bag for a trip to a herp show. During its stay in the bag, it relieved itself, as they often will. When its owner got to the show and opened the the bag, they found a completely bleached out, silver and black ball python.

One thing I'm fairly certain of, is that it's not genetic. It will probably return to its normal coloration...could be quickly, in the next shed or two...or it could go through a very gradual change back. Fun to watch, but not something you can breed for.