Underrated Morphs?

Is there any morph out there you think doesn't get as much interest as it should?

I for one have a strong interest in the spotnose morph. It can be very subtle for a novice like me but when I see a super spotnose, all I can do is dream of the possibilities.

YB was one of the most underrated morphs untill the superstripe, highway, puma ect came out..... enchi, orange dream, trick were all very underated untill recent

That being said, I love spotnose stuff, het red and red axanthic both, You want to find something to expose and try to make something special the best place to start is with morphs not many people work with

That's kinda why I posted this :) I'm looking to start putting together my first breeding group but I want to work with some of the less hyped up morphs (at least ones I can identify)

Definitely Woma.

Spotnose and Woma are for sure underrated. I am started to work up my main project to be around the Cinnamon -> Pewter -> Sterling ->Super Pewter

I have intentions of trying to make a Super Pewter Spider. As far as I know....it hasn't been done. It seems right now the craze is all about Lessers, Butters, Mojave's, Spiders, Pastels, Pinstripes. My love the Cinnamon seems to be on the back burner! :rage:

Honestly I'm more of a black pastel fan :D

And womas are cool, but don't they have a chance of head wobble like spiders?

Yes, Womas do wobble like spiders, though overall it seems to be less severe in them. (I say overall, as there are some with a signifcant wobble--just fewer of them).
Hasn't prevented the spider from being one of the top most popular morphs!

fires are under rated.

I guess I need to cruise over to WOBP, because I can't remember any woma combos that made me think I needed to add a woma.

At least nothing as impactful as enchi and OD combos.

I'll admit, thus far, they've been "meh" to me.

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OK - so can someone who thinks Woma's are under-rated, explain why they think so? What am I missing? The Woma YB looks like a YB - nothing exciting to be seen there. And the other crosses are nice, but not knock my socks off - "I gotta get me a woma" morph. Not like fires, enchi's, OD's, etc. anyway.

While they do seem to be picking up in popularity (finally), I don't think clowns get nearly enough attention. They're my absolute favorite morph and there are still so many combo possibilities that, as far as I know, nobody has produced yet. I've been dreaming about a snow clown for years. I'd love to see some hypo albino clowns, too...

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Originally Posted by don15681

fires are under rated.

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x2. I agree

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Originally Posted by JKPCONSTRICTORS

I'd love to see some hypo albino clowns, too...

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That project is in the works, it will take awhile obviously, but we have the genetics to try.

I believe under rated morphs are under rated for a reason, they either don't sell well or they make blah combo's, take your pick.

Clowns are one of the hottest morphs out there right now, I would not call them under rated.
They have retained their value well over the years and there's a ton of different combo's that have yet to be done, adding to their appeal.

I think het reds are really under rated. I seriously love the combos they make (cinnamon HRA, anyone?!), yet I can only think of one person that's really working with them (on the Canadian scene anyways). I can't wait to throw mine to a few ladies, I have high hopes for him!

I like the Savannah's, pastave's, cinnamon's and the Mojave's as far as my low line morphs

I've always thought that Genetic Stripes were pretty underappreciated....and I think they will become even less now that highways and super stripes are gaining popularity. I absolutely LOVE the look of a nice Lesser G-Stripe. I would love to see a Banana G-Stripe or a Coral Glow G-Stripe someday.

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Originally Posted by liv

I think het reds are really under rated. I seriously love the combos they make (cinnamon HRA, anyone?!), yet I can only think of one person that's really working with them (on the Canadian scene anyways). I can't wait to throw mine to a few ladies, I have high hopes for him!

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Yes.

Cinnamon and cinnamon combos hands down. Cinny's are just ignored for the bright and vibrant colors, which I'm more of a darker coloration lover.


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I like spotnoses! Would love to see a firefly or vanilla cream powerball in my collection someday

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Originally Posted by Lupe

Honestly I'm more of a black pastel fan :D

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Black Pastel Champagne (check out the second pic, there's siblings) - http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...tel-champagne/

The orange one, I believe is a 2011 adult male. 3200 bucks.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

OK - so can someone who thinks Woma's are under-rated, explain why they think so? What am I missing? The Woma YB looks like a YB - nothing exciting to be seen there. And the other crosses are nice, but not knock my socks off - "I gotta get me a woma" morph. Not like fires, enchi's, OD's, etc. anyway.

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I'm sure it has something to do with the 'inferno' combos coming out of NERD. A lot of their 4,5,6 gene snakes are carrying HGW. Is this smart advertising? Absolutely. People think 'if I get a HGW I can make snakes like that!'

I'm still in the air about the specific influence the gene has on otherwise already astounding animals. Does it contribute? Sure. Is HGW the REASON the NERD 6 bangers are smoking? Unclear to me...

I'd use Enchi to accomplish the same types of patterning mutation that the HGW does.

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Originally Posted by MrLang

I'm sure it has something to do with the 'inferno' combos coming out of NERD. A lot of their 4,5,6 gene snakes are carrying HGW. Is this smart advertising? Absolutely. People think 'if I get a HGW I can make snakes like that!'

I'm still in the air about the specific influence the gene has on otherwise already astounding animals. Does it contribute? Sure. Is HGW the REASON the NERD 6 bangers are smoking? Unclear to me...

I'd use Enchi to accomplish the same types of patterning mutation that the HGW does.

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Rabernet was talking about Womas. Not HGW. Both are two different morphs.
Womas are similar to Spiders.

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Originally Posted by CBReptiles

I like the Savannah's, pastave's, cinnamon's and the Mojave's as far as my low line morphs

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I second the Pastave's. I hatched 2 this season, but don't see alot around or being worked with.

Het reds for sure, I'd like to get a nice breeder size guy for my hed red looking normal girl. And though a little more popular recently, leopards I think have been neglected. I'd love to have a leopard in my collection :) I admit to not being impressed by yellowbellies on their own but some of their combos.. Mmm..

Fire is underrated? Then why are there 130 different morphs with the gene in it that we know of? Maybe I am looking at it the wrong way but to me an underrated morph is one thats been around for some time and has been used very little. When I hear the term underrated I think that its a title that someone puts to a morph that few people like and many dont... Underrated is such a subjective term. :D I do think that earth tone morphs are underappreciated. I prefer a darker snake than a lighter one but I love em all.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Rabernet was talking about Womas. Not HGW. Both are two different morphs.
Womas are similar to Spiders.

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Didn't realize this. They look quite similar in pictures? Is this like the other 'mystery NERD only special hidden genetics in the same genetics' situation/s that have occurred?

Chocolate

I love my het red. totally different from any snake I have.

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Originally Posted by MrLang

Didn't realize this. They look quite similar in pictures? Is this like the other 'mystery NERD only special hidden genetics in the same genetics' situation/s that have occurred?

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I dont think so. Theres definitely something going on. The combos with HGWs look way different than the ones with the normal Womas.

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Originally Posted by Andybill

Fire is underrated? Then why are there 130 different morphs with the gene in it that we know of? Maybe I am looking at it the wrong way but to me an underrated morph is one thats been around for some time and has been used very little. When I hear the term underrated I think that its a title that someone puts to a morph that few people like and many dont... Underrated is such a subjective term. :D I do think that earth tone morphs are underappreciated. I prefer a darker snake than a lighter one but I love em all.

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underrated, yes they do amazing combos, I vend at local shows in the pittsburgh area. I work with the fire gene. they don't fly off the table and you can pick up a male for 125 to 175 in my area. my fires are very light in color and clean pattern.

I look at an underrated morph as one that adds so much, but not as easy to sell as they should be even without a high price tag.

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Originally Posted by jjmitchell

YB was one of the most underrated morphs untill the superstripe, highway, puma ect came out..... enchi, orange dream, trick were all very underated untill recent

That being said, I love spotnose stuff, het red and red axanthic both, You want to find something to expose and try to make something special the best place to start is with morphs not many people work with

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I agree!

Het red is another one.

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Originally Posted by don15681

underrated, yes they do amazing combos, I vend at local shows in the pittsburgh area. I work with the fire gene. they don't fly off the table and you can pick up a male for 125 to 175 in my area. my fires are very light in color and clean pattern.

I look at an underrated morph as one that adds so much, but not as easy to sell as they should be even without a high price tag.

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Fires - Underrated or undervalued? I feel like everybody has a fire though. I dont yet but plan to incorporate it into my collection sometime in the near future. Maybe they are becoming harder to sell because more people have them now?? I dont know just throwing ideas out there... But I get your drift. If I had to choose based on your description of what underrated is I would have to say Leopard although it is still a little pricey but they do some wicked things.

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Originally Posted by Ridinandreptiles

Chocolate

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:gj:. Do these chocolate (not super) combos make you want a chocolate? They made me want one.... One of these snakes has woma.

http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...2/105_0379.jpg
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...2/105_0375.jpg

Definitely Het Reds...

They make amazing combos but there is so not enough of them on the market that ppl have problem with Pricing when comes to sell them (combos) lol.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

:gj:. Do these chocolate (not super) combos make you want a chocolate? They made me want one.... One of these snakes has woma.

http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...2/105_0379.jpg
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...2/105_0375.jpg

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Yes they do! I'm working on a chocolate spinnerblast! I've dreamed about producing one for awhile

Well this has certainly given me some ideas of different morphs to possibly work with :)

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q...m/DSCN5305.jpg

Here are the pastel lesser womas I hatched this year. I like them enough that they are staying we me.:D

Sulfurs and Sables. Together they make magic! Here's my Sulfur Sable:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8041/8...bcb3abfb6f.jpg

The combo possibilities with her are endless.

Sounds like there are different definitions for "underrated"

1. Under priced
2. Under appreciated
3. Under used

I could see how clown could be counted as "under used". It's a really cool morph that's been around a while and made some cool combos but I still don't see them at shows much and certainly not enough of them around that I can afford one, lol. Don't know why there aren't more of them.

I think hypo counts as underpriced and underappreciated. Well, underappreciated anyway, guess there are enough around to justify the price, although historically I think they have had a great run on price considering the long history and compared to other morphs not that big a start to current per year price drop. Wish I had hypo in all my projects, especially more in my chocolate project. Been wanting a hypo mojave for years and hatched a chocolate mojave male this year and it's killing me that he isn't even a possible het hypo. Think I'll breed him to my hypo cinnamon and eventually get there.

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Originally Posted by MrLang

I'm sure it has something to do with the 'inferno' combos coming out of NERD. A lot of their 4,5,6 gene snakes are carrying HGW. Is this smart advertising? Absolutely. People think 'if I get a HGW I can make snakes like that!'

I'm still in the air about the specific influence the gene has on otherwise already astounding animals. Does it contribute? Sure. Is HGW the REASON the NERD 6 bangers are smoking? Unclear to me...

I'd use Enchi to accomplish the same types of patterning mutation that the HGW does.

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HGW and woma are not the same. I'm asking about the simple woma and its combos, not HGW combos.

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Orangebellies are very underrated IMO.

And hypos have always been under rated.

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Harlequin Wide Stripes. :)