New Lesser

Just picked this lesser up last week,was told dad was a lesser x mojave, mom was a normal. I think this is a Pastel Lesser, what do you think she is?

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/s...ga/show005.jpg

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/s...ga/show003.jpg

WHOA. That is the best looking lesser I've seen, or that's a pastel lesser :O:O!!

Either way - you're lucky to have such a nice looking female in your collection!

Gorgeous yellows!

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That is a nice looking lesser!

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That's a great lesser, I don't see pastel though.

she is very pretty.. great pick

its more yellow in person . I'm thinking shes a pastel lesser .

Color is not always the ONLY way to tell a morph ;)

Most morphs often have other physical features like patters and darkness or lightness of colors that tell what it is. So don't think just because it has bright yellow its a pastel!

:O. . . That is exactly what I am waiting for! A lesser that looks like that to say hey buy me dude! That is an eye popping lesser! If the dad was a lesser mojo and mom was normal than she cant be a pastel lesser. The dad would have had to be a pastel lesser mojo....

Since there was no pastel in the breeding, it's not a pastel lesser, and you can't call it that, unless you breed it and it throws pastels.

It's a great lesser.

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Gorgeous how much if you don't mind me asking.

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OH YEAH....I did forget to tell you I do think he a beauty though!!!!

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Since there was no pastel in the breeding, it's not a pastel lesser, and you can't call it that, unless you breed it and it throws pastels.

It's a great lesser.

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^^^ This...

Morphs are not just a random occurrence.. You can't get a pastel if one of the parents wasn't a pastel or a pastel combo.. It's not a hidden gene. Pastel is a visual co-dom morph.

That is a very nice, high quality Lesser.

Can someone show me a lesser that looks that yellow?, because I cant find anything like that using google. The closest thing that could come that yellow was a Pastel Lesser.

I would have said pastel lesser looking at the head and cleanliness. If father was mojo x lesser that would make it a Lucy, pastel can hide in there especially if it's the first season breeding it.
However.
You bought it as a lesser, and that's what it is until you breed it and produce pastels, I guess that's why its called "proving" it out. Up to you to prove it has pastel in it.

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This is a good question...If the dad was a Lesser x mojave, (a bel) Isn't there a possibility that it had pastel in there aswell? I mean, how obvious is a pastel BEL vs a non? Your girl looks a lot like my girl, and she's a pastel lesser. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a mislabeled sire. I'm really interested to hear what the pro's have to say about ID'ing a pastel BEL (lesser x mojave x pastel), as this was a concern of mine for the future when breeding my Pastel Lesser girl to my Mojave boy.

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Agreed with ball-nut, can't call it a pastel lesser until you prove it. But I think you have a good possibility. Just make sure her first breeding doesn't have any pastel in the boy.

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Originally Posted by randy petruga

Can someone show me a lesser that looks that yellow?, because I cant find anything like that using google. The closest thing that could come that yellow was a Pastel Lesser.

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The Lessers I produce are that yellow.. The high contrast Lessers are..

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/18/pututugu.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/18/adahe6yd.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/18/ypu8y5e8.jpg

They show the yellow even before first shed..
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/18/mu7ubevu.jpg


Yours does have some amazing blushing and fading, especially on the head, but it still can't be called a pastel lesser if the breeder told you what the parents were and pastel wasn't one.

It is possible for a Leucistic to be pastel and you wouldn't know until you bred it. The breeder should know if their Leucistic was produced by parents that had the pastel gene in them or not. If neither of IT'S parents were pastel, then it wouldn't even be a question.

If one of the leucistics parents was a pastel, then the breeder should know this, and should know there is a possibility of it producing pastels, or pastel combos. In this case only breeding that Leucistic at least once or more would help to find out.

So that's a question only the breeder can answer.

Pretty BP:)

True I did buy it as a Lesser , But why can I not find any lemon yellow lessers for sale or even find a pick ? Thanks for the kind words all . we have a few years before she will bread . may be a Pastel Enchi .:)

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/18/amare4at.jpg

Shes darker in the shadows http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/18/nuqezata.jpg

Here is one of Foschi's Lessers. Hatched in May:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8299/7...3163cc29_b.jpg

Thanks again for all the nice comments, but the pics of the lessers you guys are showing dont look like her, she has a white head.

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Originally Posted by randy petruga

Thanks again for all the nice comments, but the pics of the lessers you guys are showing dont look like her, she has a white head.

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I noticed that. I'd like to see some more pictures of her. She is a great looking lesser. If you ever breed her, I would pair her with a normal first and see what pops out. Who knows, she might prove out as a pastel lesser. Or something else!

no normal's in this house . if its sunny out side tomorrow I will put her in the grass and take pics of her . nice looking lesser but there not lemon yellow .

I would breed her with something that is easily distinguishable from lesser, lesser pastel, and pastel. Maybe a black pastel or another dark morph. Just to try and prove out the pastel possibility. I think there is a good chance she's a pastel lesser, and that the BEL Sire has pastel in him. But honestly, you need to ask the breeder. If he produced the BEL he should be able to tell you easily enough if it came from a pastel line, if he bought it, it might be a harder time getting a straight answer.

This is my pastel lesser

http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...r85/Henna3.jpg
http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...kes/Henna4.jpg
http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...r85/Henna5.jpg

Your girl looks a lot like her imo. She's only around 120g in these photos.

That's a lot of brightness!

Pretty snake. I have seen lessers and butters that yellow. Personally looking at the blushing on the head I think you have a possibility that it may have pastel in it. What came out of the rest of the clutch? I would call her a lesser, raise her up and breed her out to a normal and see if you get any pastels out of it. If you don't have any normals you should get some, how else do you plan on proving out your genetics or try to out breed any line breeding you have been doing? Gorgeous snake man, you made a great score, but as far as I would be concerned if it were in my colony it would be a lesser with a side note in the margin of her breeder card to keep an eye on her offspring.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/19/teteqary.jpg here is my lesser jst to share


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Originally Posted by randy petruga

Thanks again for all the nice comments, but the pics of the lessers you guys are showing dont look like her, she has a white head.

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I agree the OP's lesser looks a lot more like Rosey's Lesser Pastel then these other lesser pics that are being posted. Like everyone stated you can't call it a lesser pastel until you breed her and prove it out. Good Luck

BTW..She is beautiful either way

Tiffany , you got it bang on blushing half way up flames all the way around . sparkz that's a sweet lesser . as far as breeding her I have a few years to go . Thanks Randy

Thats a very nice lesser and could well turn out to be a pastel lesser, but like the others have stated, it has to be bred out or its just a lesser. Talk to the breeder and see if there are any chances. I have seen some stellar lessers that were really bright in person but I have no pictures for you to compare. If she turns out to be the single gene you really have yourself great snake. Thats a girl any collection could be proud of!

My pastel lesser as a baby:

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...0/dsc_0008.jpg

Same girl about 500 grams bigger:

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...0/img_1409.jpg

It clearly has a Pastel head:)

well its sunny and kind of warm so we took her out for some pics . http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/s...psce114c3d.jpg

was the father a bel or was the breeding to a lesser and a mojave as in 2 males to the female?

dad was a lesser / Mojave mom was a normal

I read so many posts on hear, " what morph do you think my snake is " it's a normal. I'm sure there was a few others but this is the first one I saw that I can say, I see why he's asking. besides the breeder not saying there was also pastel in the breeding, your snake to me shows the signs that I look for when deciding which ones of my hatchlings are just lessers and which ones are pastel lessers. everyone is going off of the breeding. or what the breeding was suppose to be. I understand you do need to prove it out. forget the color. look at the head. look at the eye stripe. I had lessers with very very blushed heads. but the eye stripe was still dull. pastel will blush the head but it also gives points or jags. everyone that was showing him that their lesser was just as bright as randy's had the dull eye stripe. randy's doesn't. randy I can't say for sure that's a pastel lesser, but I would be feeling pretty good about the chances it is. my pastel lesser has more defined points, but the pastel in this breeding was my best blonde pastel. I still see the points in your snake. I have never seen these jags in a lesser. hopefully yours isn't the first.

here are 2 pics of a pastel lesser and a lesser. look at the eye stripe. this isn't even the really blushed lesser that I was talking about. randy good luck and in a few years I would like to hear how it turned out. thanks don


http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...18_resized.jpg


http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...e_lesser_1.jpg

Thank you Don . I never thought it was any thing less than a Pastel Lesser . And prove it out I will but not to a normal .

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Originally Posted by randy petruga

Thank you Don . I never thought it was any thing less than a Pastel Lesser . And prove it out I will but not to a normal .

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I agree. breed it to what you want. it will eventually prove out one way or another.

I know generally you must have a morph to produce a morph but where did the first pastel come from? There had to be a first one right it must have come from normals right? It sure looks like a pastel lesser to me but you will have to breed it to prove that.

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Originally Posted by jason79

I know generally you must have a morph to produce a morph but where did the first pastel come from? There had to be a first one right it must have come from normals right? It sure looks like a pastel lesser to me but you will have to breed it to prove that.

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No. The first pastel came from Africa as an import.. Just like the first Banana. The Ghana ball python breeders and collectors save the craziest looking ones and offer them to their best international customers for top dollar. Then it would have been bred here, proven to be a co-Dom trait, and there ya go.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

No. The first pastel came from Africa as an import.. Just like the first Banana. The Ghana ball python breeders and collectors save the craziest looking ones and offer them to their best international customers for top dollar. Then it would have been bred here, proven to be a co-Dom trait, and there ya go.

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I know they came from africa but the first one had to come from normals or did it just fall from the sky?

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Originally Posted by jason79

I know they came from africa but the first one had to come from normals or did it just fall from the sky?

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Its a genetic mutation, so technically yes, they did come from normals.

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Originally Posted by jason79

I know they came from africa but the first one had to come from normals or did it just fall from the sky?

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They're random mutations off the normal wild type.
But it's basically the same thing as saying how there are many different colored domestic rats. The original wild type rats are brown(agouti). And all the other colors are mutations that occurred randomly.

Edit: Kaorte beat me!

Since everyone is having so much fun posting Lesser pics, here is a nice lesser I produced this season. Let it serve as another reference lol.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...94935871_n.jpg

If the first pastel or any other morph for that matter came from normals how can anyone say if there was no pastel in the breeding its not possible for it to have pastel in it? I agree you have to breed it to prove whether it has pastel in it or not but anything is possible.