Project decision thoughts

If you had a choice between 1.0 het pied 0.1 het pied 0.1 pied for 875 shipped or ... 1.0 het pied 0.1 het pied 1.0 pied 0.2 66%ph pied for 875 shipped what would you do?

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or better put..... 0.1 pied 40% white
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1.0 pied low white 0.2 66% ph pied

both for 650

or neither and just stick with 1.1 het pieds for 225 and prove them out?

explanations to why please. long run 2-4 year ROI?

0.1 pied for sure


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I would do the first option. I dont see any reason to have a male het pied and a male pied...

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Originally Posted by darthkevin

0.1 pied for sure


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also, has anyone ever heard of baltimoreballsrus.com "Tim Mccourry" or Kage reptiles "William Adams" refers to himself as Jack in the emails..

Well if I had a pied male, I would have more options in my opinion because lets just say you already have a female adult morph ball python, you can put your pied male with that female and make hets and have better looking morphs in the future. Remember males can mate with multiple females and you can prove out those 66% hets and possibly make more pieds. If you have a female pied, you have to wait 2-3 years to breed it and you will have less options. IF you have more ball pythons, IMO, the second choice is better to me because with a male pied you can breed multiple ball pythons and have cool morphs in the future like mojave pied, pastel pieds, etc. PLUS, with a male pied, you can prove out those two 66% hets and if they are het, 50% of the clutch should be pieds. If you have a female pied, you have to wait 2-3 years or longer depending the apetite of the snake and only stick with one type of morph when breeding. With a male you can have so many outcomes and results.

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Originally Posted by Ryan Chin

also, has anyone ever heard of baltimoreballsrus.com "Tim Mccourry" or Kage reptiles "William Adams" refers to himself as Jack in the emails..

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I bought my male albino from them and was thoroughly happy. They were great throughout the entire process and wouldnt hesitate to buy from them again.

I would also go with the 0.1 pied. The female pied alone would be worth the $650.

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Originally Posted by Rat160

I bought my male albino from them and was thoroughly happy. They were great throughout the entire process and wouldnt hesitate to buy from them again.

I would also go with the 0.1 pied. The female pied alone would be worth the $650.

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I put my deposit in today for the female pied, thanks everyone for the consensus input!

But also Rat160, when you say them do you mean a particular seller or were they partners at some time?

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Originally Posted by Maddumpling

Well if I had a pied male, I would have more options in my opinion because lets just say you already have a female adult morph ball python, you can put your pied male with that female and make hets and have better looking morphs in the future. Remember males can mate with multiple females and you can prove out those 66% hets and possibly make more pieds. If you have a female pied, you have to wait 2-3 years to breed it and you will have less options. IF you have more ball pythons, IMO, the second choice is better to me because with a male pied you can breed multiple ball pythons and have cool morphs in the future like mojave pied, pastel pieds, etc. PLUS, with a male pied, you can prove out those two 66% hets and if they are het, 50% of the clutch should be pieds. If you have a female pied, you have to wait 2-3 years or longer depending the apetite of the snake and only stick with one type of morph when breeding. With a male you can have so many outcomes and results.

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Right now I own a 1.2 with a 1.1 incoming.

I was thinking along the same lines as you maddumpling but I think i decided I didn't wanna make hets the first breeding season and would rather have visuals. then from those visuals since I will have have two possible pied clutches I am hoping to pop a male to hold back that I can start my het lines with...since the male would only take about a year to be mature and would have all of the females ready for him when he was.

I've been waiting til I have all the snakes here to update my sig list of animals :D

Congrats!! Thats a great deal for a female pied!

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Originally Posted by oskyle1567

Congrats!! Thats a great deal for a female pied!

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Tyvm, that's why I bought it ;). I do have a question though, regarding health. He has made me aware that she is 3/3 feeding attempts (on rats) at at 4.5 weeks old, next feed will be this weekend. I assume he was waiting for the first shed to feed the first meal, then when it did not shed fed at the two week mark which sounds reasonable to me. I personally was worried that it will be 5 weeks old before its first shed so I asked if he could hold it til the shed before shipping it and he agreed also with a 48 hour live arrival and health guarantee, which is what I like to see from breeders that don't already have a big reputation to work off of(that I could locate at least). Her current weight is at 53 grams empty, which will be the lightest and youngest ball python i've bought to date. He did give me a lot of background info on the sire/dame and siblings, the siblings also had a very long first shed period but had very recently just shed, she is the only one who hasn't yet.

I don't remember the person I bought the albino from was a male but I got him from that company.


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Originally Posted by Rat160

I don't remember the person I bought the albino from was a male but I got him from that company.


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Which company? lol Baltimoreballsrus or Kage reptiles?

Baltimoreballsrus


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I don't know, 53 grams at 4.5 weeks old has not shed yet but has had 3 rats. How big was she when she hatched? 25grams?

I ha a black pastel male that hatched at 33g first shed was two weeks after hatch, ate two weeks after that. Has taken 5 meals unassisted but still only weighs about 40g. The non eating period dropped him to about 22g. He is finally putting on the weight though.


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Originally Posted by joebad976

I don't know, 53 grams at 4.5 weeks old has not shed yet but has had 3 rats. How big was she when she hatched? 25grams?

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Bro that's exactly what I was thinking but for one I know it's not unheard of, I am more glad about the fact she has taken 3 meals on three tries. Maybe she just needs to get a bit older to get into the swing of things...I noticed my Black Pewter female is taking off compared to my fire female and only 1 week older but the difference is at least 20-30 grams. both on rat pups, I just feel some retain the nutrients better than other sometimes...or poop less.

The fact that he is willing to hold her til she does shed at least shows his confidence in supplying a healthy product, at least in my eyes. He also did mention that her siblings have gone through a similar shed process, taking 4 weeks out of the shell.

Soooo...I guess this is just me being optimistic.

It will probably all work out in the long run. I personally would not have put her up for sale until she shed but that's just me.

Good luck and post some pics when you get her home.

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Originally Posted by joebad976

It will probably all work out in the long run. I personally would not have put her up for sale until she shed but that's just me.

Good luck and post some pics when you get her home.

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Thanks Joebad976, Ill definitely get some pics up once she comes in, originally she was not up for sale I had contacted him about the male pied that had is her sibling and asked him about a pair or trio if he had het females for the male and he offered my the female pied and was willing to work with my price point.

I it makes you feel better my female pied rarely ate for 8 months when I got her at 8 months old she only weighed like 100g SE is now well over 450g and doing great!


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Originally Posted by Rat160

I it makes you feel better my female pied rarely ate for 8 months when I got her at 8 months old she only weighed like 100g SE is now well over 450g and doing great!


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That's awesome to hear Rat160, I'm glad she's doing well! any pictures?

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Originally Posted by Ryan Chin

That's awesome to hear Rat160, I'm glad she's doing well! any pictures?

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Here are a few recent pictures of her. She is also on the low white pied post..

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/...0/DSC_7423.jpg

http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/...0/DSC_7419.jpg

Beautiful low white always like the look of them!

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Originally Posted by oskyle1567

Beautiful low white always like the look of them!

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I to admire the low white! beautiful snake. In mine I prefer high oranges, i think it's just amazing. Btw she will be my first pied....Do their oranges tend to brown out as they get older? One thing I always thought but was never sure.

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She's still at the breeders facility, might be shipping next week!

Mine just keeps getting brighter but I'm sure she will dull out eventually.


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Mine just keeps getting brighter but I'm sure she will dull out eventually.


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I really like her dorsal striping also

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I really like her dorsal striping also

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Thanks! Only one break on her. I absolutely love this pied probably my favorite snake I own. Just so it's said because I throw it out there every chance I get, she was bought from Jon Floyd, and he is a great guy to buy from.


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it makes me go back and look at my females dorsal "striping" it's sorta there kinda like a ghosty river like stripe til it hits that 3/4 mark.

You know what morph i've been really into is the Rios and het rios...those are gonna be huge I have a feeling.