Help on ID crestie morphs

Hi guys,
We have some cresties, but we have no idea what morphs they are and would really liked som input on what they might be... I have no idea how hard/easy it is to "morph" them, we're new into CG morphs and it seems pretty hard to find out what they might be !

I'l mark the pics with numbers so there will be no misunderstanding.

1 - the male:
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_2690.jpg

2
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_2786.jpg

3
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_3081.jpg

4
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_3091.jpg

5
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_3299.jpg

6 - bad pic, but this female has the same colour all over her body, with some few spots
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_3303.jpg

7
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_3314.jpg

8
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...s/CIMG7509.jpg

So.... Any ideas? Better pics can be fixed when "ordered" :)

Crested Gecko morphs are more variable to interpretation than with other species such as Ball Pythons or African Fat Tails. This site will help you out a lot to start to understand what to look for in morphs.

http://www.pangeareptile.com/forums/...ko-Morph-Guide

I've tried refreshing the page a few times and for some reason it just keeps loading with some incomplete pictures. :confusd: From the looks of it almost all of them are tigers or brindles (the pictures that load) with a couple flames. Take a look at that thread I posted and try to analyze what you have. If I can get the page to load in it's entirety I'll post my opinion of what all of them are.

Okay it loaded when I submitted my thread. Here we go...

1. Brindle with dal spots. If it has over 25 you can consider it to be a dalmatian brindle.
2. This one is my favorite of the bunch and looks to be a brick red Tiger.
3. I would need a picture of it's sides to be sure but it looks like a flame to me. It could possibly be a Harlequin depending on the pattern of a side picture.
4. Flame
5. Flame? Maybe the wrinkles are pattern...:confusd:
6. Buckskin
7. Brindle/Flame, not sure
8. Flame

Like I said people interpret morphs on their own level. What I see, another may see something else. Apart from morphs you should look into as many high quality Crested Geckos as you possibly can to see what traits you enjoy the most and focus on trying to reproduce those. I'm guessing you are trying to breed considering how many you got, I could be wrong. Either way congrats on the new additions, if you have any questions don't hesitate to PM me or ask on here! :gj:

Thank you so much ! Yea, we're breeding, have already two babies from 1 and 5, one of them are very sharp in colour. 5 and 7 are very alike, but 5 is more orange and 7 is very light

I was going to post that same link but you beat me to it!

Ditto on variable morphs, it's all polygenetic rather than simply passing on single alleles.

I've been on the link, or my boyfriend has, but its always nice to get input from folks with more experience.. In an other forum I got this: "Looks like tigers with the exceptions being #3 harley partial pin, #6 brown bicolor, and #8 flame. It is easier to tell if they are fired up." and it's a bit away from what's told here?

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I've been on the link, or my boyfriend has, but its always nice to get input from folks with more experience.. In an other forum I got this: "Looks like tigers with the exceptions being #3 harley partial pin, #6 brown bicolor, and #8 flame. It is easier to tell if they are fired up." and it's a bit away from what's told here?

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It's really not that far from what I said. Tigers/Brindles can be hard to tell apart from just a single picture. #3 I said was possibly a harely but I'd need to see another picture of it's lateral pattern. Looking at it again I now see the partial pinning as well. #6 being called brown bicolor is what I call a buckskin. Sounds about the same to me, like I said morphs are left to interpretation to the individual looking at the gecko.

I've read a bit more now and se that's pretty much the same yea, sorry for that. So brindle is a more patterned tiger.. The pics I've seen of brindles have been much more patterned than this one, but he has much pattern on his belly.

Here's another pic:
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...s/IMG_2690.jpg

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...s/CIMG7489.jpg

some few more pics of #3:
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...g/IMG_3036.jpg

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...g/IMG_2632.jpg


So buckskin and brown bicolour is the same... I have to do a lot of reading, this is much harder than BP :P

OHh.. by the way, here's some pic of the latest pipped baby:
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...g/IMG_3321.jpg

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...g/IMG_3325.jpg

That new pipped baby looks to have some portholes, one of my favorite traits! Honestly, people can call their crested geckos whatever they want. It's one of the reasons some breeders have moved away from using morph names and just focused on highlighting/explaining quality traits. You can have someone calling a red harlequin a super raspberry cream milkshake and people would be thinking their red harley is the same, it can be difficult to say the least. Line bred traits are much more difficult to classify over the majority of BP morphs, it's also what makes crested geckos so interesting. You really never know what you will end up with!

Good luck with them, thanks for sharing the update. :gj:

Djiis, this is hard, and there so little information about this compared to BP....

I've read the other thread here where it's said that it can't be determined what morph a young crestie really is because of the colourchanges as it grows... But how to tell what morph your offsprings are? If the mother is a ... well, say a brown bicolor and the dad a tiger/brindle dal.... What would the offsprings be? Determined by the colour it develops or just a brown bicolor tiger/brindle dal? :weirdface

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Djiis, this is hard, and there so little information about this compared to BP....

I've read the other thread here where it's said that it can't be determined what morph a young crestie really is because of the colourchanges as it grows... But how to tell what morph your offsprings are? If the mother is a ... well, say a brown bicolor and the dad a tiger/brindle dal.... What would the offsprings be? Determined by the colour it develops or just a brown bicolor tiger/brindle dal? :weirdface

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That's what makes crested geckos fun to work with, you honestly won't know what the offspring will look like unless you have proven genetics from multiple generations of breeding from those specific lines. Just because you breed X to a Y doesn't mean you will get XY offspring. There are some traits that seem to more dominant than others such as dal spots. That trait seems very easy to inherit.

That's why it's important to carefully pick the animals you choose to breed. Usually if you pick animals that are the best examples of what your goal is you will hopefully reproduce some or all of what you are looking for in the hatchlings, but not always. You would think that breeding two high red geckos together would produce more high red geckos, it just doesn't always work out that way, at the same time you have a much better chance of producing more high reds than pairing a bucksin with a superdal and hoping for the same result. Hopefully that makes sense, I'm still kind of waking up. ;)

I've looked around a bit now, read, read and read and FINALLY I seem to learn now... And I agree in most of these, but I do have the opportunity to see the animals in live... So here's my outcome but with some questions:

1. Dalmatian Tiger (how much tiger is enough to let it be a brindle?)
2. Red tiger + blushed trait
3. Flame + partial pin trait (but this one has pattern on her lower lateral area - like the harlequins ?)
4. Orange flame (wrinkles are pattern btw)
5. Bicolor buckskin with dalspots - It's 25+ spots on her, but they aren't as big as on the male so how big needs the spots to be to call it a dalmatian?
7. Tiger
8. Flame - no pattern on her upper lateral area, but pattern on her lower lateral area, possible a flame harlequin?

And the little one makes me scratch my head, it's pattern is weird.. All I can say is that it has portholes.... But do maybe seem to be a dark flame?

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Originally Posted by Genetics

I've looked around a bit now, read, read and read and FINALLY I seem to learn now... And I agree in most of these, but I do have the opportunity to see the animals in live... So here's my outcome but with some questions:

1. Dalmatian Tiger (how much tiger is enough to let it be a brindle?) Agreed on Dalmation Tiger. I personally feel that Brindles have a very busy pattern compared to strongly marked Tigers. Tiger's tend to have more widely-spaced stripes in my experience.

2. Red tiger + blushed trait. Agreed

3. Flame + partial pin trait (but this one has pattern on her lower lateral area - like the harlequins ?) If a crestie shows two traits that are in different categories, go with the strongest trait. I would call this one a Harlequinn, even if it has Pinstripe traits.

4. Orange flame (wrinkles are pattern btw) Agreed. With that busy pattern, it could go Brindle as it gets older.

5. Bicolor buckskin with dalspots - It's 25+ spots on her, but they aren't as big as on the male so how big needs the spots to be to call it a dalmatian? I'm not seeing Bicolor on your Buckskin. Bicolor is usually a drastic difference between lateral and body color. I'd call it just a Buckskin. As for Dalmation, the spots need to be fairly prominent. I'm not seeing many black spots on your gecko here. I'm seeing more of the 'freckle' type spots. Can you post a better picture of her spots?

6. Chocolate Patternless with Dalmation Spots

7. Tiger. Agreed. I'd call her a a Buckskin for coloration, or you could use the term 'Yellow' as well, depending on how light the gecko is when fired.

8. Flame - no pattern on her upper lateral area, but pattern on her lower lateral area, possible a flame harlequin? I would stick with calling her a Flame. She does not have enough pattern on her lateral area to be called a Harley.

And the little one makes me scratch my head, it's pattern is weird.. All I can say is that it has portholes.... But do maybe seem to be a dark flame? For that last baby that piped, it's going to have a smashing pattern as it gets older. Give it time and it's going to just be smokin'!

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Does that help a bit?

It does get confusing, as many people develop their own terms and identification for certain things. There's no 'Right' or 'Wrong'. Just people who agree, or people who find a different term to describe what you're seeing.

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Originally Posted by Genetics

I've looked around a bit now, read, read and read and FINALLY I seem to learn now... And I agree in most of these, but I do have the opportunity to see the animals in live... So here's my outcome but with some questions:

1. Dalmatian Tiger (how much tiger is enough to let it be a brindle?) Agreed on Dalmation Tiger. I personally feel that Brindles have a very busy pattern compared to strongly marked Tigers. Tiger's tend to have more widely-spaced stripes in my experience.

2. Red tiger + blushed trait. Agreed

3. Flame + partial pin trait (but this one has pattern on her lower lateral area - like the harlequins ?) If a crestie shows two traits that are in different categories, go with the strongest trait. I would call this one a Harlequinn, even if it has Pinstripe traits.

4. Orange flame (wrinkles are pattern btw) Agreed. With that busy pattern, it could go Brindle as it gets older.

5. Bicolor buckskin with dalspots - It's 25+ spots on her, but they aren't as big as on the male so how big needs the spots to be to call it a dalmatian? I'm not seeing Bicolor on your Buckskin. Bicolor is usually a drastic difference between lateral and body color. I'd call it just a Buckskin. As for Dalmation, the spots need to be fairly prominent. I'm not seeing many black spots on your gecko here. I'm seeing more of the 'freckle' type spots. Can you post a better picture of her spots?

6. Chocolate Patternless with Dalmation Spots

7. Tiger. Agreed. I'd call her a a Buckskin for coloration, or you could use the term 'Yellow' as well, depending on how light the gecko is when fired.

8. Flame - no pattern on her upper lateral area, but pattern on her lower lateral area, possible a flame harlequin? I would stick with calling her a Flame. She does not have enough pattern on her lateral area to be called a Harley.

And the little one makes me scratch my head, it's pattern is weird.. All I can say is that it has portholes.... But do maybe seem to be a dark flame? For that last baby that piped, it's going to have a smashing pattern as it gets older. Give it time and it's going to just be smokin'!.

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Originally Posted by Vasiliki

Does that help a bit?

It does get confusing, as many people develop their own terms and identification for certain things. There's no 'Right' or 'Wrong'. Just people who agree, or people who find a different term to describe what you're seeing.

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I think we have confused each other :P
Yea, it confirmed quite a bit, but I see I have forgotten the real number 4 - I've taken 5 for 4, 6 for 5 .... The real number 4 is a flame, and 5 is the socalled "orange fire" but I meant "orange tiger"... The one you call a chocholate patternless with dalspots is the one I refered to as "Bicolor buckskin with dalspots". But now you're confusing me. I've read that buckskin is a colour of bicolor? But I do agree, noen of these are bicolors.

About number eight... I'll think I'll post a better picture of her, 'cause I think she has lot colouration on her lower lateral when really fired up.

I've been looking on the last one, so far it seems to be a fire, but in this pic I don't think it's fired up :)
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...g/IMG_3464.jpg


A new picture of 3, 8 have almost as bright pattern on her lower lateral like this one:
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...g/IMG_3498.jpg

And a new pic of 4, it seems to be a flame but it has pattern on its sides? :
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...g/IMG_3511.jpg

Haha. Okay, yes, I'm thoroughly confused at the moment. I'll have to sort through and make sense of this all when I get home. I'm at work right now and can't re-look over too many of the pictures, haha. So we'll get this all straight in a bit.

Hm. See and every time I've heard Buckskin referred to, it's a color trait, not directly related to a pattern trait (Just like you can have Red Harleys and Red Bi-colors, even through they're both different. But the color term is the same.)

Depends who you talk to, I suppose! The lingo does change depending on where you're finding the information from. I know in Europe some terms are different for cresties too.

That's all part of the fun :banana:

Sounds good :)

Here's a fired up pic of number 8 - she must be a fire harlequin??
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...g/IMG_3593.jpg