Ferrets: Whole prey diet

Hey guys. Anybody feed their ferrets a whole prey diet? Right now mine are eating zupreem, but once im producing rats quickly enough I intend to switch them over eating 1 Medium prekilled rat a day each. But ive got a few questions about the logistics.

1) How long do I leave the food out for them? I dont want them to run around and hide dead rats everywhere so Im makung them a playpen to eat and sleep in. I dont want the food to rot, but I dont want them stuck in a pen all day waiting for them to eat it either yaknow?

2) How should I present the rat? Do I just kill it, and give it to them? Am I supposed to drain it of blood and chop it into bits and present it like wet food? etc.

3) How long will it take for the raw diet to start benefiting them? Ive got one ferret whose fat like you wouldnt beleive, and wont stop eating, another another ferret(a rescue who was SEVERELY underweight when I got him 2 months ago) who eats, but he just seems to be getting a potbelly instead of actually gaining weight.

Thanks for reading guys, I appreciate it = D

PM satomi.

She's a ferret mogul! :gj:

EDIT: actually i think she'd be a mogulette...

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

PM satomi.

She's a ferret mogul! :gj:

EDIT: actually i think she'd be a mogulette...

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x2 she feeds hers live prey

Haha Good old nikki. Thanks guys. Will do!

-Riveran

HAHA! YOU GUYS!!! <3


Yes. I feed whole prey to my ferrets. I have 3 ferrets and 1 foster. When on kibble, they ate a mix of Zupreem Premium, 8-1 Ultimate, and Drs. Foster and Smith Ferret diet.
I started off teaching my ferrets how to eat whole prey with live adult/hopper mice. Once they got the hang of everything, I started feeding them other types of prey. Now they eat mice, rats, chicks, ducklings, turkey, and baby rabbits.
I do feed live prey for the most part. But they do take pre-killed and frozen as well. They didn't like p/k and f/t at first, but they're prey fiends now and will take it in any form. You just have to get them to become established feeders first.
I pre-kill medium rats and larger just because they are dangerous as a live prey item. A large rat is as big as my small female ferret and will fight back.

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Originally Posted by Riv

1) How long do I leave the food out for them? I dont want them to run around and hide dead rats everywhere so Im makung them a playpen to eat and sleep in. I dont want the food to rot, but I dont want them stuck in a pen all day waiting for them to eat it either yaknow?

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I leave prey(dead) out for 2 days. 3 would be the max on larger prey, but most are usually gone by 2. A whole carcass doesn't rot as fast as chopped up meat. Plus when little mice are left out, they dry out so fast it turns into a jerky. lol
The ferrets eat what they want and come back for more later. They usually clean up a carcass in a day or so depending on the prey size. Mice/weaned rats they'll finish off right away in one sitting. Small-Med rats may take a day. Rabbits/Turkey/Chicks/Ducklings may take 2 days or more. But like I said, I dump the carcass by day 3.

Some ferrets take whole prey better than others. I've taught about a dozen ferrets how to switch to prey. Two particular ones refuse to take any form of prey and will only eat kibble.
I would start teaching your ferrets how to take prey first in a small enclosed space such as a large plastic container (40 gallon size roughly) or a bathtub.
A play pen works, but the prey can get pretty messy sometimes and washing a tub/container down is just easier. Having an enclosed space won't allow the ferrets to hide and stash prey. Once they're done killing/eating, put the left overs into their food bowl. They'll finish the rest on their own time. Once they are solid prey eaters, you can probably just stick prey directly in their cage. For mice, I just hold down their tails while the ferret kills them. It's a one bite kill so the mouse isn't suffering. Mine are experienced, so they can kill quickly. Newbie ferrets may take a little while to kill their own prey. But like most things, it takes practice. They will get it eventually.

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2) How should I present the rat? Do I just kill it, and give it to them? Am I supposed to drain it of blood and chop it into bits and present it like wet food? etc.

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I would start with live hopper/adult mice to introduce them to whole prey. The quick movements of the mice keep the ferrets interested and motivated. Once they're established feeders or at least eating actual body parts, you can transition to p/k, f/t, and other prey if you want.
How many ferrets do you have? Do any of them show a strong prey drive?

Don't drain the blood. After they kill their food the first few times, I can almost guarantee that they will just leave it alone and walk away. That's because they don't know the prey is food.
You can just chop up the carcass and put the pieces into their food dish. Or you can just slice the abdomen open and put the entire body into the food dish. They probably still won't eat it, but it's worth a shot anyway.

The ferrets will not know a p/k prey is food. They actually won't know live prey is food either. But after a few tries, they'll start to get it.
Scientifically, ferrets after 6 months of age can only taste protein.
So they'll start enjoying meat more as they become more exposed.
Think of it like a child who has never tried new foods. They're going to be hesitant and refuse new stuff. They're more comfortable with familiar foods. Same thing with ferrets, the more exposed they are to new food, the more willing they'll start taking it each time. That's why it's important to introduce a verity of foods to baby ferrets to socialize them to not be picky eaters.

It took my 3 personals and 2 fosters around 3 or 4 times each to understand that prey was food. It took one of my friend's ferrets about 2 months. My other friend's ferrets took about a month or less. And it took my boyfriend's 5 ferrets less than 5 mice each to start eating them. We all did one mouse per ferret sessions at a time. And I just mentored a member in my ferret club in the 'art' of switching to whole prey. Her ferrets took about a week.
Once they became more consistent prey eaters, you can start feeding what ever you want. But like I mentioned before, live motivates the ferrets the first couple of times.

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3) How long will it take for the raw diet to start benefiting them? Ive got one ferret whose fat like you wouldnt beleive, and wont stop eating, another another ferret(a rescue who was SEVERELY underweight when I got him 2 months ago) who eats, but he just seems to be getting a potbelly instead of actually gaining weight.

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Honestly, right away. They will have significantly less poop. Kibble is full of sugars, carbohydrates, and plant fiber. As a obligate carnivore, it's everything a ferret cannot digest. Kibble is the number one contribution to Insulinoma due to the sugar.
Bad brands of kibble will give you massive amounts of poop because it's full of stuff the ferrets cannot absorb. High quality kibble will reduce some poop, but not as much as whole prey. When on whole prey, the ferret will have almost non-existant poop. It's literally just fur that comes out. That's because the ferret absorbs everything.

And it will be about a month or more before you see an increase in activity level and fur condition. Whole prey will make a ferret's coat sleek, shiny, and soft. They will be more active, thus have a better overall body condition.
Males in general are pretty fat, but the higher activity does make them more lean and gain some muscle mass.

For your rescue, how old is he? Potbellies sometimes indicate Adrenal disease or an enlarged pancreas. The enlarged pancreas is harmless.
I would also try to make your ferrets climb things to gain some chest muscles. I used to have pet stairs to lead up to the ferret cage. I recently removed it to force the ferrets to climb back in. My old Adrenal male with a pot belly used to have really bony ribs. Now he has muscle and you can't even tell he was that skinny before.


I recommend taking a look at the Holistic Ferret forum. There are a lot of tips on feeding prey; raw and cooked.

Props for wanting to feed prey!
It will benefit your ferrets a lot.

My dads gf has two ferrets. I've mentioned feeding live prey to her before but they have a child in the house. Will the ferrets become aggressive if you feed whole prey? She's worried that they might start being bitey.

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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

My dads gf has two ferrets. I've mentioned feeding live prey to her before but they have a child in the house. Will the ferrets become aggressive if you feed whole prey? She's worried that they might start being bitey.

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No. They will not become more aggressive or bitey. The ferrets are smart and can distinguish food from humans. Mine see their live prey as a treat and get really excited. At the end of the day, my fuzzies still cuddle and give me kisses.

Ferrets, or any animal, should be supervised with any child anyway. Ferrets play rough, so your dad's gf needs to know the difference between aggressive biting and play biting. Ferrets who bite aggressively clamp down and do not let go. If they're already pretty calm or play nice with people, I wouldn't worry about an increase in aggression unless they have Adrenal disease, which does increase aggression.

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I've never had a ferret become aggressive because they are raw fed, I do have one who nips but she always has, didn't change whether she was fed kibble or raw. Mine picked up eating mice off the one original girl who would, eventually 5-6 of the others would eat mice fine, once they had that down any whole prey was game although mine barely touch large rats. They love mice, quail, guinea pigs, rabbit, chicks. You don't want to feed just one prey item though, you want variety or it will be incomplete.

Thanks so much for he response! I only have the two ferreta at the moment. Both are male, My marshals ferret is about 8-9 monhs old if the petstore was correct about he age, and my rezcue is 3 and a half. He didnt have a potbelly when I got him, back then he didnt have even a little meat on him. The fat on his scruff was even too thin for me to scruff him properly. Hes still skinny as all get out, but its all going right to his belly. Let me see if ive got pictures on my phone.

ALSO! You should know that they dont have a cage. They sleep and eat in our bedroom and play in the rest of our house when we are home. They have food and water on the floor and and a litter box in the closet. We made them a kind of hammock bed, but they usually juat sleep with us in our bed. Hopefully that been technique will keep it mess fres for us haha.

-Riveran

If i had a ferret id want it to play rough. Theyre fun to mess with, i think an aggressive one would be funny lol!

Their body shape and sneaky antics kinda creep me out though. I dont think id ever be able to own one, let alone sleep with one haha.

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Originally Posted by Riv

Thanks so much for he response! I only have the two ferreta at the moment. Both are male, My marshals ferret is about 8-9 monhs old if the petstore was correct about he age, and my rezcue is 3 and a half. He didnt have a potbelly when I got him, back then he didnt have even a little meat on him. The fat on his scruff was even too thin for me to scruff him properly. Hes still skinny as all get out, but its all going right to his belly. Let me see if ive got pictures on my phone.

ALSO! You should know that they dont have a cage. They sleep and eat in our bedroom and play in the rest of our house when we are home. They have food and water on the floor and and a litter box in the closet. We made them a kind of hammock bed, but they usually juat sleep with us in our bed. Hopefully that been technique will keep it mess fres for us haha.

-Riveran

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Ah! I understand the pen now! Cage or pen, I would contain the dead prey in it so the ferrets cannot stash it elsewhere. But I still recommend using a container or tub for training them to eat live prey first. Maybe a container in the pen. Plus a container/tub allows the ferrets to focus in on the live prey. It gives them limited space for less distractions. (<-- at least until they learn how to eat the prey)

My ferrets were free roam too until they would get up and cause trouble in the middle of the night. Now, I only cage them at night and when I'm not home. My boys take naps in my bed with me, but my female is really independent and would rather sleep in the cage.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

If i had a ferret id want it to play rough. Theyre fun to mess with, i think an aggressive one would be funny lol!
I dont think id ever be able to own one, let alone sleep with one haha.

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It's no different than sleeping with a dog or cat. Ferrets love to cuddle. haha.

Sorry for the typos last post. Phome is still a little crazy and that whole cant edit post for 10 minutes rule is silly. XD

I really enjoy having them free roam for the most part. They do play in the middle of the night, but more often than not its just with a baseball, or dinner(their rubber frog). None of their toys are very loud. And we have no problem sleeping through most things haha. We did have one incident where Lo(the younger healthier male) came up to my fiances face in the dead of night while he was sleep amd and chomped down on his nose XD It bled for a while but it wasnt too bad. As soon as he woke up lo started dooking around, so I think he was just bored and wanted to play, but couldnt wake him up haha. He got punished and hasnt done it since, so knock on wood lol.

Im DEFINITELY training with the bin. Ive fed them pinkies before which they killed, and hid all over my room then ate on them over the course of a few days. We were getting dressed one day and my fiance said he found a melted hershey kiss in his pocket. I put my pants on and said "Wow I think I found one too." Pulled out the "hershey kiss" only to find out it was the upper half of a pinkie I fed them a week before XP
Needless to say I decided to get some answers on raw diet before proceding. But the bin solves that little problem entirely = D
-Riveran

If your ferrets have already successfully eaten pinks, then thats an excellent sign. I would go ahead and try a weaned rat.
I was just assuming your boys have only fed on kibble based on your original post.

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Haha understandable. I didnt add it to the original post because it was just that once just to try it, and they difinitely killed and ate 1 and a half of them, but whwn I tried prekilled last time there was no dice. But like you said, live in a bin should get them started well enough. Especially if they are alrwady inclined enough to kill it

-Riveran

Great thread! My ferrets used to be on a raw/whole prey diet. Then life got crazy and I just could not keep up with it. I will be switching them back soon and hope to make it mostly whole prey.

I really wish my ferrets could be free roam, but there are just too many things in this apartment they could get into right now. Once I have the place organized I might go through the apartment and ferret proof. One of my biggest concerns is the couch. It's a pull out bed and we do have a friend that stays with us about once a week. Not to mention the cats have clawed the corners of the couch to the point a ferret could EASILY slip into the hole and never be found again. That goes for the mattress on our bed too.

Larger stuff just stick a shower hook through and attach to something, mine aren't caged either but there's a ferret nation in there to hold water/bedding and I hook food to it. Smaller stuff like mice or chicks they will drag around but mine don't leave anything behind on those. Take away the kibble for a couple hours before trying to feed the prey, will make them more likely to try and eat it.

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Wouldnt you know my landlord came by and said get them a cage @_@ apparebtly my lease states caged animals only, so Im the hoping the pen kind of counts as a cage. If not I may just have to get a ferret nation after all. Oh well. I may just leave the cage open 100% of the time so I can just SAY theyre in it 80% of the time(what he demanded):D

That hook idea is brilliant! I doubt theyll actially be able to pull the prey off completely, so that may be the route I go if bin training doesnt work work out. I just had a few more litters, so im going to wait a few more weeks till I start trying to get them over completely. After all im going to have to breed a decent number in order to make sure theyre getting as much as they need. Does anybody know generic portions? Like say how many grams of meat they should be getting a day? I read that it varies, but I dont know if I should be regularly feeding them 30Grams a day each or 150 gram a day eaxh or what. I dont even know what to ballpark.

-Riveran

Often they will eat more at first on a raw diet, especially if it's winter season, my two eat 5-6 ozs together but they are old. Younger ones will eat more, males eat more than females. Depends on what they like to, in a day mine would eat 4 young mice, a medium guinea pig or half a large quail. If I give them chicken or something they think is boring they might only eat 1-2 oz. I just check on them 3-4 times a day, if they have food fine, if they need more I give more. You can feed stuff frozen too on hot days.