Male vs female pricing

Kk. So i understand this has been asked before, heck I probably have asked it before. But tapatalks search is brutal.. So im asking again.


Why are females worth more then males??

I come from an agricultural background where studs are worth much more than females..

Ie a male morph can create many more offspring with his genetics than a female.

So why the price difference?

Because females give eggs! :)

I think its mostly because they produce the eggs.

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in general they are, a male banana is worth much more than a female. females are usually in more demand cause you can breed a male to an average of 5 females. plus breeders like to have a good base with many females to support that one new male morph that just came out. can't spend 20k on a new male morph if you don't have the females to support that purchase. it's all suppy and demand

In general terms possibly that makes sense. But economically. You receive substantially more power and economic benefit from a male then you would from A female. Ie:

General prices:
3 proven normals girls = 700 bucks
1 proven lesser male = 400


Vs
3 lesser proven girls. 3000.00
1 normal male 50


On average the following
6 eggs each, 50% chance Offspring of lesser ~250 each, and normals ~ 50.
~ clutch value =2700.00

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Originally Posted by don15681

in general they are, a male banana is worth much more than a female. females are usually in more demand cause you can breed a male to an average of 5 females. plus breeders like to have a good base with many females to support that one new male morph that just came out. can't spend 20k on a new male morph if you don't have the females to support that purchase. it's all suppy and demand

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That makes more sense. Im just very surprised that its not across the board.

Sticking with the lessers... I sell females for 275, and males for 200.. Makes 0 sense.. I dont see much in terms of evidence that females are rarer then males.. I have have read of all females clutches, all male clutches and of course mixed.

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Originally Posted by Simplex

That makes more sense. Im just very surprised that its not across the board.

Sticking with the lessers... I sell females for 275, and males for 200.. Makes 0 sense.. I dont see much in terms of evidence that females are rarer then males.. I have have read of all females clutches, all male clutches and of course mixed.

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well in a breeders collections say he has 100 females. he only needs 20 males for those females to have a decent ratio. so females will be in more of a demand. once the banana becomes not as rare. there will be a point where females will be worth more than males.

with your lesser theory. when it take 3 years on average to get a female to breeding size. no one is going to waste a morph female with a normal male. I have a female visual pied and I wouldn't waste it to a male pied. in the ball python breeding hobby. to get a female up to breeding size is a huge chunk of time and many things will change greatly.

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Originally Posted by Simplex

I come from an agricultural background where studs are worth much more than females.

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You also have to remember that with a stud (a horse stud, for example), You can have other people's mares breed to him in a pasture setting or you can collect/freeze/ship his semen. That way you can maximize the number of offspring he can produce. But with snakes, you don't generally do that. You can loan a male out, but you certainly can't collect his semen an artificially inseminate every female. That's what makes females so much more valuable. If you want to breed him to a bunch of females, you have to actually have the females to do so...thus making the cost of obtaining these females so much more.

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Originally Posted by snakehobbyist

You also have to remember that with a stud (a horse stud, for example), You can have other people's mares breed to him in a pasture setting or you can collect/freeze/ship his semen. That way you can maximize the number of offspring he can produce. But with snakes, you don't generally do that. You can loan a male out, but you certainly can't collect his semen an artificially inseminate every female. That's what makes females so much more valuable. If you want to breed him to a bunch of females, you have to actually have the females to do so...thus making the cost of obtaining these females so much more.

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Interesting... Maybe there is a way to artificially inseminate a female. That's something I will leave to the scientists and herp vets

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Originally Posted by MorphMaster

Interesting... Maybe there is a way to artificially inseminate a female. That's something I will leave to the scientists and herp vets

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I'm not sure if you could. The reptile reproductive cycle is a lot different than large mammels. But I'm sure someone, somewhere, is already thinking about it.

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Originally Posted by snakehobbyist

You also have to remember that with a stud (a horse stud, for example), You can have other people's mares breed to him in a pasture setting or you can collect/freeze/ship his semen. That way you can maximize the number of offspring he can produce. But with snakes, you don't generally do that. You can loan a male out, but you certainly can't collect his semen an artificially inseminate every female. That's what makes females so much more valuable. If you want to breed him to a bunch of females, you have to actually have the females to do so...thus making the cost of obtaining these females so much more.

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I tend to agree with this line of thinking. It's primarily because females are much more in demand than males.

Its not like that for all morphs. Also I imagine it has something to do with females taking up to 3 years to get to breeding size and they are more in demand. I have been seeing more and more lately males that are outpricing respective females so maybe the market is shifting. Ive wondered this as well.

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Sticking with the lessers... I sell females for 275, and males for 200.. Makes 0 sense.. I dont see much in terms of evidence that females are rarer then males.. I have have read of all females clutches, all male clutches and of course mixed.

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You need to think in therms of combos :gj:

Your example of Lesser is true Normal to lesser will yeld the same results regardless of the way you are doing it however you need to think as a business person who makes an investment or collector wanting to better their personal collection.

Your male lesser bred to normal females will only produce more of the same this is hardly an investment, just more lessers.

If you get a female lesser now you will not breed her to a normal male (business wise this makes NO SENSE) you will breed her to another morph and will be on your way to make combos.

As a breeder you obviously do not want to breed a low end male to a high end female!

You need females to make combos and females are often held back by breeders and harder to find (at least with mid to high range mutations)

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Originally Posted by Deborah

You need to think in therms of combos :gj:

Your example of Lesser is true Normal to lesser will yeld the same results regardless of the way you are doing it however you need to think as a business person who makes an investment or collector wanting to better their personal collection.

Your male lesser bred to normal females will only produce more of the same this is hardly an investment, just more lessers.

If you get a female lesser now you will not breed her to a normal male (business wise this makes NO SENSE) you will breed her to another morph and will be on your way to make combos.

As a breeder you obviously do not want to breed a low end male to a high end female!

You need females to make combos and females are often held back by breeders and harder to find (at least with mid to high range mutations)

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^ This.

If I were to purchase the 3 proven Lesser females in your example for 3K. I could potentially make my money back in one clutch if I hit the odds when breeding them to a multigene male.

Edit: Coming from an Ag background I see what you are talking about. We breed quarter horses and stud fees and sale prices of good studs far exceed the cost of the mares. At the end of the day this is a different business where supply and demand rule.

I can always use extra females...

It's hard to use extra males.

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Originally Posted by el8ch

^ This.

If I were to purchase the 3 proven Lesser females in your example for 3K. I could potentially make my money back in one clutch if I hit the odds when breeding them to a multigene male.

Edit: Coming from an Ag background I see what you are talking about. We breed quarter horses and stud fees and sale prices of good studs far exceed the cost of the mares. At the end of the day this is a different business where supply and demand rule.

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Thinking of this again... From a different perspective, males in the ag business are also limited in terms of market supply. Lower quality animals are sold for food, not breeding. While females are held back..

Castration is another huge game changer...

Which brings about other ponderable moment.. And possibly a new thread...