please help me figure this beautiful guy out

hey everyone i baught this guy about 4 or so months ago or it has felt that long at least anyways well about 3 months ago i noticed he was really different i didnt buy him as a normal i bought him off of CL the guy having no idea what he had or what he was either. anyways here are some pictures please help me out i have been searching for results for two or more months and i have no answer at all .. sorry he is in shed :/ he is a little darker in color than he is in the pictures
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really sorry he is in shed new picture when he is out i promise but if you can help me . im not sure if he is a normal .. a morph or het something maybe .. and what i should breed him with to find out i only have a normal female but i will get what it takes to breed him out if i can .. thank you all who ever will help me :):banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banan a::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: ok sorry about the banannas they looked fun and i was listenign to a song lol.

Looks like a cinnamon to me.

I would say a cinnamon or a Mojave. A bit difficult to tell from the pics. Ones in more natural light would help alot. Also on second thought, the belly is quite dirty so that may rule out my two guesses.


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looks like a normal. mine also looks like that. what did you buy him as?

i bought him off of CL the female was the normal .. and the guy said he didnt know what it was but he wasnt a normal though just unsure idk where they got them from either i wish i still had his number but i misplaced it :confusd:

My votes for cinnamon but a pic with better lighting after it sheds would be more helpful in figuring out i'm sure.

he should be done shedding tomorrow if not tonight ,, no later than tuesday ,,, the blue has died down in his eyes and then he is getting his color back so .. he is in the last stages of shedding right now should be done and when he is i will be posting better natural lighted pictures for all of you .. and a cinamon was my first guess to but was told he needs a perfect clear belly and he doesnt have a perfect clear belly .. but its mostly clean so idk if its was just a defult in the morph

op said the guy didnt have a clue what he was selling so really if you dont have a clue its normal until proven other wise but looks like mojo pattern but the pictures have weird coloring to them and its shedding but right now we dont know till you show us shedded pictures and belly pictures with as good of pictures as you can get color wise
ALSO thread belongs in is this a morph section

i wouldnt say it's a cinny. ill take pics of my normal female she kind of has the same patern

i just made this thing last night not really sure how to really post things where .. and well they werent the guys ball pythons they were his daughters lol .. so he had no idea what she had all he knew was one was normal and the other was he wasnt sure about .. idk im just trying to find out what i have ... normal or not i just would like to know. no need to come off rude

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and yeah dude that would be awesome if you can show me some pictures ive been looking at normals all around i have seen none have even a similar pattern with the many amounts of donuts on her body those are what make me curious its not the alien head its the ring shape markings

here's some i just took she wasn't co-operating with me. she shed 2 days ago.

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really pretty . i wish you could see his coloring in person .. idk if you can see then on the snake but my snake has alot of ring shapes that dont go down they are just rings .. and he has alot of them ,, im not avoiding the idea of a normal im really fine with him beng one but i have so many people on this forum and on facebook forum thing not even sure either alot said normal and alot said cinny and some have said mystic .. and a professional said he has no idea.. except i had to breed it out but i not sure to what .. or where to begin to breed it out to .. he said mojae just in case it was a mystic .. idk when he sheds his golor is a orange rusty color not a golden .. but im not sure that why im on here .. but i mean i hae 2 female normal one has a bright yellow coloring and the other has a blan golden coloring both look completly different but put him in the middle he just sticks out .. but i mean im really just trying to ease my mind a little big on the subjject i gues i wil find out more when he sheds im hopign he sheds tonight

this is a better pic

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yeah it does look similar .. but i will take pictures when he is out of shed and i will see what i get in responces i mean he is a norm he is a norm if he is not then i really want to know what he is or at least know what i should breed him to to find out .. he is super gorgoues .. never seen other normals like it .. yours is porbabky the cosest except that your donuts run down the side of the body when 30 or more% of my snake patter doenst . it stops they are floating rings i mean i see a few here and there but this guy has both fron side of his neck down covered and then the rings splotch here in there i mean pretty normal or morph or het .. which ever it turns out to be he is still going to be freaking beautiful. so im not worried either way just want to be fully sure before he is bred.

yeah after shed pics would be good. every time mine sheds her side flames get whiter as well as her head blusing. i was told she was normal last time i posted pics but man she is just a beautiful snake i can't wait to mate her with my cinnamon and see what comes out

so you know where i coming from trying to figure out mine as well lol .. she is really beautiful i will agree .. i was like flabbergasted in when i saw the picture cause it is insanly beautiful colors he white tri stands out alot i like it . my female is kinda bleh is but she is still pretty i guess .. but i mean she didnt shed right on her fisrt shed when i got her she was peely so her humidity is up so im hoping that i will finally make her have a good shed .. we will see and maybe she will acutuall look good as well some people like her looks .. i do .. but my male just is to freaking beautiful like i love him an people know he is my favorite because i spoil him with handling .. i will choose him over any of my snakes when it comes to handling

yeah everytime i look at her im like even though i was told she was a normal to me she's just a mystery. when i got her the other snake they had was darker than her but i picked her because she was very gold looking and she still keeps changing over time.

well she will produce some nice coloring i bet and yeah mine is really dark like really dark lol

that's what im hoping for. only when i breed he i will find out and the wait is just killing me lol

i know im want breeding to be hear and then hae it fasto forward so my eggs will hatch thiis will be my first clutch ever .. so im really excited !

same here it will my 1st time breeding bp's.

good luck .. i mean if he turns out to be a normal i have a male pinstripe that ima see if he takes the female this year :) so im not to worried .. but we will see good luck to you :)

wasnt trying to come off as rude it was just to get a mods attention to move it to the right thread but even with the normal statement all you can say is its a normal till you have opinions that its not but my bet is still mojo the dorsal patterns where it looks like its dripping thats a mojo marking and the belly with just random speckles is the same as my old male and with the long striping also says mojo but still want good pictures to verify

its ok i wasnt trying to sound rude either by saying that and i kno im just you now on here to see if it something alot of peopel ahe been telling me to put pics up people who breed and people who dont have a clue about ball pythons .. alot of peopel are not really sure about him even professionals who hae alot of morphs so im on here seeing what people thinkand i will take better pitcre after he sheds and post them .. and what do you mean mojo?

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wasnt trying to come off as rude it was just to get a mods attention to move it to the right thread but even with the normal statement all you can say is its a normal till you have opinions that its not but my bet is still mojo the dorsal patterns where it looks like its dripping thats a mojo marking and the belly with just random speckles is the same as my old male and with the long striping also says mojo but still want good pictures to verify

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Pat, I'd like to buy a comma, a period , or a capital letter please.

Normal. Def not a mojave.

Definitely not a Mojave. Probably a normal, but those are some amazing flames.

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Definitely not a Mojave. Probably a normal, but those are some amazing flames.

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I know, right? And the blushing on the back, and it really does look like a cinny from midway up. I dunno, I think it's probably worth a little dinker project to see if it's genetic, and if so, if it there's a super.

Oh, hey, viper, after the shed, can you also take some better shots of the head? In natural light, without a flash, so we can see the top of the head and the eye color.

My vote is cinny.

I see Cinny.

actually my vote is normal some of the pattern looks mojo (mojave) but around the tail patterns its the typical "squared" pattern of a normal I really dont see cinny either nothing like fhe ones I had before so im going with normal just dinker worthy

what do you mean by dinker .. like kinda breed him out kinda thing .. if so what would be the best bet to breed him with? and im hoping he sheds soon . he looks like he is back to normal now but he was in shed so im hoping he will be done here shortly .. and when he does i will send pictures of him outside .. of his head , siding and belly ... anyone have the thought of mystic ?

A "dinker" basically means an unusual snake you "dink" around with when breeding. A project snake, if you will. :) I think most people breed dinkers to normals to see what comes up, but I'm not great with the genetics part of it so don't take my word as 100%.

I dont see anything but a normal in shed with some bad pics;)

Post up after the shed in better lighting and there might be something there but I still think hes a normal.
Your going to have to prove him out to be something other than normal.

I have 2 I'm working on as well LOL

yeah I have a normal female that I know is normal but im dinking with her to see if her perfect pattern, reduced look and clean colors is genetic im breeding her to a pinstripe, pastel and black pastel to see what the babies look like

I'm pretty sure that's just a nice normal.

The snake lacks the "squiggles" of a cinnamon, and the color is all wrong for a Mojave, in with shed and bad pics. Normals come in thousands of variations, as we all know. With a little effort, I can make some of my normals look like a hypo, a fire, a black pastel, and one can pass for a het red axanthic.

Gale

Black pastels have the squiggles, but cinnamons don't, I thought? Cinnies do have an unusual snout shape, and I don't see that.

I don't see anything more than a normal as well :)

Well, duh!! I knew that, I did.

Please do post some after shed pictures though, sometimes we can be positive of an ID, only to find out we were wrong. I'd really like to see him post shed. I bet he's a real looker.

Gale

after shed pictures .. he finally shed took these yesterday hope these are better ...

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honest 100% sure answers please .. idk care ifall answers are not the same ill be posting one other picture i want you all to identify as well ..

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what is this ? do you know i do :3

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I'm only seeing normal in the first snake now that he has shed.

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First one I think is a really pretty normal

Second pastel or super? Idk im bad with morphs

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first snake looks normal. The last pic looks mystic

Still saying the male is a normal and I'm thinking the second is a mystic?

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what would be best is a wide shot of the sides of the snake. also belly shot, preferebly from mid belly towards tail.

These pics don't show much, but I do see some oddities that resemble Mojo, Mocha, Mystics a bit.... all in the same complex..

Looks a bit like my mocha