Help identify ball morph. Pics in gallery

I dont know how to post pics here first of all if anyone can tell me how to do that it would be great. I posted pics to my gllery. Labled axanthic pied. I took pics next to a normal pied to show the contrast. They are both 2010. No yellow pigment in him. Some pics it may seem there is a tiny bit but there is none.

Upload pics to photobucket then copy the img code and paste here and shazaam!!!! You got some pics! :)

I am gonna say a dark normal pied.

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Originally Posted by Andybill

Upload pics to photobucket then copy the img code and paste here and shazaam!!!! You got some pics! :)

I am gonna say a dark normal pied.

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Cool thanks. Can you leave a link to some pics of normal pied adults lacking all yellow pigments. I know really dark ones may exist but the only pics I can find that look exactly like mine are axanthic. I am trying hard to find other wise and not having any luck, there is a good pic of an adult axanthic pied on here I will find a link, You cant compare it to hatchlings. Thank you for the post and any other help. Oh yeah thanks for the pic tip also. lol

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http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...t_axanthic.jpg

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http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...10685600_n.jpg

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...96533647_n.jpg

Where did you get this suspect axanthic pied and how much did you pay? It is a pricey combo that nobody would sell as a normal pied. It is a somewhat difficult morph to produce and while it is possible that someone just happened to have 2 DHs they didnt know about its a very small chance and breeders usually know what they are trying to produce when breeding for one. I will try to find some dark pieds for you...

I absolutely agree with you. It is a long project and they are costly right now because not many have been produced up to this point so why would someone let one slip away after years of work. I picked him up in trade and I am trying to track down where he originated. If you saw him in person you would immediately see he is totally lacking all yellow. Its not covered up with black. it has very light grey all the way to black with no yellow shining through anywhere. So I am searching for dark or really grey normals or normal pieds to compare but so far im not seeing it.

This is a pretty dark one and I have seen some that get pretty dark.
http://snakesnmoresnakes.blogspot.co...python_04.html

There are other types of pieds that have similar color to the one you have. Breed it and see what you get. Breeding certainly answers some questions regarding genes! :gj:

Check out http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/ if you havent already and look around at the different types pieds! :gj:

Its a dude right? How big is this guy? Do you have a female that you could breed him to?

Plug him into a female axanthic. If you get axanthics you hit gold but in the least you'll have some nice double hets.

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Originally Posted by John1982

Plug him into a female axanthic. If you get axanthics you hit gold but in the least you'll have some nice double hets.

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Yes I agree. I need to shop around for a female axanthic. Preferably an adult.

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Its a male. I dont have an axanthic female. Thats what I need to thtow him to to see.

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Yes I agree. I need to shop around for a female axanthic. Preferably an adult.

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Its a male. I dont have an axanthic female. Thats what I need to thtow him to to see.

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There are several different Axanthic lines and many of them are NOT compatible with each other so breeding it to any old axanthic would not necessarily give you axanthic offspring unless you were lucky enough to hit on the right line.

In addition to that, there is a condition that has been posted a number of times before where a normal appearing adult will have an unusual shed and lose all of it's yellow pigment, it's not really understood how this happens but one theory I've seen is that it could be a reaction to some kind of bacterial infection, since the animals in question also had an unusually messy/odd looking poop before they shed. In cases like this it is obviously not genetic and can not be passed on to any offspring.

Another thing that I remember from several years ago was Marc Mandic from Marcus Jayne reptiles produced an axanthic pied from breeding together a couple of pied gene carriers and being surprised that some of them came out axanthic, so it's not unheard of to produce morphs out of the blue. Looks like you've got a mystery on your hands, good luck in trying to figure it out.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

There are several different Axanthic lines and many of them are NOT compatible with each other so breeding it to any old axanthic would not necessarily give you axanthic offspring unless you were lucky enough to hit on the right line.

In addition to that, there is a condition that has been posted a number of times before where a normal appearing adult will have an unusual shed and lose all of it's yellow pigment, it's not really understood how this happens but one theory I've seen is that it could be a reaction to some kind of bacterial infection, since the animals in question also had an unusually messy/odd looking poop before they shed. In cases like this it is obviously not genetic and can not be passed on to any offspring.

Another thing that I remember from several years ago was Marc Mandic from Marcus Jayne reptiles produced an axanthic pied from breeding together a couple of pied gene carriers and being surprised that some of them came out axanthic, so it's not unheard of to produce morphs out of the blue. Looks like you've got a mystery on your hands, good luck in trying to figure it out.

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Thanks for the good info. I was not sure if there were different uncompatable lines of axanthic or not but I was wandering if that may be the case. I have seen pics of balls lossing there yellow like you mentioned. Does anyone know how many lines of uncompatable axanthic genes there are? And who has them?

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Originally Posted by bluevenom

Thanks for the good info. I was not sure if there were different uncompatable lines of axanthic or not but I was wandering if that may be the case. I have seen pics of balls lossing there yellow like you mentioned. Does anyone know how many lines of uncompatable axanthic genes there are? And who has them?

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I know that the original three lines were not compatible with each other. They are the VPI line, the Snakekeeper line and the Jolliff line. There is a NERD line that I believe is compatible with the VPI line and there is the Marcus Jayne line (that I mentioned before) but I think it's pretty new so I don't know if anyone has tried to cross it with another line yet or not. There are probably others but those are the ones I know about.

I have a female that I SWEAR is axanthic. BUT since there are a few axanthic lines that are not compatible, it would be a long and expensive journey to prove her out.

If that is something that you are willing to do, good luck in all your endeavors, and let us know how it works out :)

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Originally Posted by heathers*bps

I have a female that I SWEAR is axanthic. BUT since there are a few axanthic lines that are not compatible, it would be a long and expensive journey to prove her out.

If that is something that you are willing to do, good luck in all your endeavors, and let us know how it works out :)

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Yeah I would prabably be better off breeding him to a pied female, raise a daughter then breed him back to her.