Super Lessers vs. Lesser/Mojave BEL

So I just got my female lesser who's up to breeding weight. I'm planning on breeding her this year to get a BEL, which I've wanted since I knew what they were. I was planning on pairing her with a lesser male, but I don't actually have one yet so I could change my route at any time. I've been hearing lots about the super lessers having bug eyes and the mojo/lessers not being very clean so now I'm confused on which way to go.

I was wondering if those of you who have either could post pictures so I can have an idea of what exactly I'd be producing with each pairing. Pictures of mature snakes would be preferred!

Thanks in advance!

I went the mojo/lesser route to avoid any potential for "bug eyes." I don't believe they have any real effect on the animal's health, I just don't really like the way they look.

My favorite holdback from last year is named Crossed-Eyed Mary, because she is, indeed, a little bit cross-eyed. However, it's actually become less noticeable as she's grown bigger.

They do have a very faint yellow dorsal stripe that I think you may be able to appreciate in this photo of Mary. (You can also kind of see her cross-eye ... It's on her left [your right]).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...rvana/Mary.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...vana/Mary2.jpg

Here was the 2011 group as babies (minus one who hadn't come out yet)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...adyxApollo.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...dyxApollo2.jpg

One from this year (same pairing). I don't think it came out in this pic, but I did notice some very very faint pattern on the heads of the babies this year that I don't quite recall seeing when they hatched last year. I think there is some variability in the amount of pattern that shows through.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...polloBELM2.jpg

you could also pair with a het russo or a mocha.

Awesome! Thanks for those pictures. The yellow dorsal stripe is very faint and Mary still looks really white to me. I'd much prefer that than taking a chance with bug eyes. It's the patterns that I'd like to try to avoid, which is why I personally don't want to go the super mojave route.

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Originally Posted by Ally.

So I just got my female lesser who's up to breeding weight. I'm planning on breeding her this year to get a BEL, which I've wanted since I knew what they were. I was planning on pairing her with a lesser male, but I don't actually have one yet so I could change my route at any time. I've been hearing lots about the super lessers having bug eyes and the mojo/lessers not being very clean so now I'm confused on which way to go.

I was wondering if those of you who have either could post pictures so I can have an idea of what exactly I'd be producing with each pairing. Pictures of mature snakes would be preferred!

Thanks in advance!

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LesserxMojo are still rather white and clean. It's mojoxmojos that have gray/purple heads.
I'm planing on doing Lesserxmojave this winter for BELs as well.

I haven't produced a BEL yet, but I will be trying this coming up season, pairing mojo/lesser and in the following year will be butter/mojo, if I decide to use my butter girl for that pairing.

Since I just got curious and googled, here's a clutch of super mochas (lattes):

http://heathersherpsblog.blogspot.co...stics-101.html

And here's a mocho mojave.

http://www.reptileradio.net/reptiler...a-Mojave-Pics&

I'm not seeing any mocha lessers, but I bet they'd be clean. Worst you might get is that thin yellow dorsal stripe, but it's already so faint in the mocha mojaves. Lesser might clean it out completely.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

Since I just got curious and googled, here's a clutch of super mochas (lattes):

http://heathersherpsblog.blogspot.co...stics-101.html

And here's a mocho mojave.

http://www.reptileradio.net/reptiler...a-Mojave-Pics&

I'm not seeing any mocha lessers, but I bet they'd be clean. Worst you might get is that thin yellow dorsal stripe, but it's already so faint in the mocha mojaves. Lesser might clean it out completely.

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I didn't even know about the mochas! That's definitely good to know.

There's not a lot available around here for breeder males. As of right now, there's a breeder lesser I can get my hands on, and a friend of mine has a male mojo I could use but my female would have to go to her for the pairing and to be honest, I don't feel to great about that option. I was trying to avoid having a snake shipped to me, but if I don't want to use that lesser, I may have no other choice.

I have someone telling me to pair a lesser with my girl and he'd purchase a baby from me if I got BELs, but I don't know if he'd want a lesser/mojave. But in the end, it's really what I want since I'm trying to produce one for myself.

Nothing wrong with having a snake shipped to you

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Originally Posted by iCandiBallPythons

Nothing wrong with having a snake shipped to you

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No, I know there isn't. I had my pieds shipped to me and everything went perfect. I was just hoping to deal with someone in person instead. It can be easier that way (but not always).

What happens when you breed to Blue eyed Lucys ?

- CCarr33

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Originally Posted by CCarr33

What happens when you breed to Blue eyed Lucys ?

- CCarr33

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More BELs :D

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Originally Posted by CCarr33

What happens when you breed to Blue eyed Lucys ?

- CCarr33

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When bred to a normal, there will be no normal offspring.

So a Super Lesser to a normal will only have lesser offspring. A LesserxMojave BEL to a normal will have only lesser and mojave offspring.
Breeding a lesser to a Super Lesser will make only lessers and more BELs.

I thought he was saying "breed two BELs" and just used the wrong form of "two / to / too"
Either way, both sides of that were answered ;)

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

I thought he was saying "breed two BELs" and just used the wrong form of "two / to / too"
Either way, both sides of that were answered ;)

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I thought the same thing :)

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Originally Posted by RoseyReps

I thought he was saying "breed two BELs" and just used the wrong form of "two / to / too"
Either way, both sides of that were answered ;)

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Haha.
I read it as "what happens when you breed to a BEL" type of question.

But you're probably right.

Lesser/Butter BEL with a couple friends hanging around...
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a..._2917Large.jpg

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/100_0767.jpg

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Lesser/Butter BEL with a couple friends hanging around...
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a..._2917Large.jpg

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/100_0767.jpg

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I appreciate the pictures! Your super lesser looks really white! No yellow dorsal stripe. And no bug eyes either. So I guess it isn't a sure thing with bug eyes, you're just taking a chance?

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Originally Posted by Ally.

I appreciate the pictures! Your super lesser looks really white! No yellow dorsal stripe. And no bug eyes either. So I guess it isn't a sure thing with bug eyes, you're just taking a chance?

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It's a roll of the dice, we produced 1 male and 2 females from 6 eggs Lesser X butter and all 3 BEL's were pure white.

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...9161Medium.jpg

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

It's a roll of the dice, we produced 1 male and 2 females from 6 eggs Lesser X butter and all 3 BEL's were pure white.

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Did any have the bug eyes?

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Originally Posted by Ally.

Did any have the bug eyes?

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No, no bug eyes.