Cheapest route to a BEL.

I want a Blue Eyed Lucy but I want to be the one to hatch it. Its kinda a goal of mine.

I need to know the cheapest route to a BEL.

Thanks for looking :)

- CCarr33

mojave x mojave, but they're borderline BEL, grey heads and yellowing.
mojave x lesser/butter is alright, but some still yellow
for your best chance at pure white i think lesser/butter x lesser/butter is the way to go, but then there is a chance for bug eyes

I wouldnt really reccommend looking for the cheapest morphs you can find bc generally they are not the best quality examples of the morph.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

mojave x mojave, but they're borderline BEL, grey heads and yellowing.
mojave x lesser/butter is alright, but some still yellow
for your best chance at pure white i think lesser/butter x lesser/butter is the way to go, but then there is a chance for bug eyes

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Im pretty sure bug eyeing is only common in super forms. Like super lesser and super butter. Is it the same for a butter x lesser BEL?

Also super mojo's arent borderline BELs imo. Theyre still pretty dang white lol.

Don't forget Russos make very nice white snakes

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Im pretty sure bug eyeing is only common in super forms. Like super lesser and super butter. Is it the same for a butter x lesser BEL?

Also super mojo's arent borderline BELs imo. Theyre still pretty dang white lol.

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My LesserxButter BEL male has some slight bug-eye going on, but nothing too serious.
I love Super Mojos, and eventually will have one - I think their grey/purple pattern is fabulous.

My personal recommendation would be to save your money and get some quality in the animals you buy. But a mojo female will never do you wrong IMO. I prefer Lessers over Butters as I do feel they are different.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

I wouldnt really reccommend looking for the cheapest morphs you can find bc generally they are not the best quality examples of the morph.

Im pretty sure bug eyeing is only common in super forms. Like super lesser and super butter. Is it the same for a butter x lesser BEL?

Also super mojo's arent borderline BELs imo. Theyre still pretty dang white lol.

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i could play devils advocate and say the "bad examples" might make great looking white snakes, who knows?

butters and lessers are the same exact morph coming into captivity two different ways, so the bug eye problem is just as likely to happen

Breeder around here has an adult female that is entirely yellow on top, she was solid white as a baby.. I've seen quite a few pictures of yellowed super mojaves also. I'm not sure how often they stay white, if they do at all.

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Originally Posted by rlditmars

Don't forget Russos make very nice white snakes

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I disagree with this one, quite a few have a yellow stripe. I've seen pictures of pure white ones, but at shows they all have had yellow stripes. looked like a blue eye'd ivory.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Im pretty sure bug eyeing is only common in super forms. Like super lesser and super butter. Is it the same for a butter x lesser BEL?

Also super mojo's arent borderline BELs imo. Theyre still pretty dang white lol.

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Bug eyes occur in LesserxButter BELs too.

Super Mojos are all white except for their heads..... But if I had to judge the whitest of the whites, the whites on pieds > BEL white.

Edit: Dang.... Everyone responded at once. LOL

how much do russos go for? If I were looking to go cheapest route I think I would shoot for super mojos. Not as white as lesser mojos or super lessers/butters but a BEL nonetheless and I am a fan of the faded head pattern you get with the super mojaves.

I think het. Russo's are the cheapest way to a BEL. I think they're cheaper than mojo's.

Russos will usually produce an extremely white BEL when paired to another BEL producing animal. Like a Lesser. Russos also make the opal diamond which is more awesome than a BEL in my opinion. Plus they are usually a bit cheaper than some other BEL producers.

I don't want to hijack this thread, but does anyone have a picture of a bug eyed BEL from pairing a butter/lesser to butter/lesser? I haven't ever come across one and I was planning on pairing two lessers this year for my first clutch ever.

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Originally Posted by Ally.

I don't want to hijack this thread, but does anyone have a picture of a bug eyed BEL from pairing a butter/lesser to butter/lesser? I haven't ever come across one and I was planning on pairing two lessers this year for my first clutch ever.

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http://fire-ballreptiles.com/images/...terfemale1.JPG

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Originally Posted by satomi325

http://fire-ballreptiles.com/images/...terfemale1.JPG

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. . . :O... Lol! That thing looked like it should be on one of those commercials with all the animals doing their bug eye faces! Lol... If anybody knows what I am talking about...

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Originally Posted by Andybill

. . . :O... Lol! That thing looked like it should be on one of those commercials with all the animals doing their bug eye faces! Lol... If anybody knows what I am talking about...

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Lmao yea with all the forest animals, i can't help but feel bad for the little guy though :/

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http://fire-ballreptiles.com/images/...terfemale1.JPG

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Wow, I didn't know it gets that bad! He does look kinda cute though. Does it get better as they grow?

The OP said he wants a BEL and he wants it cheap. That's it.

Buy at 1.1 Mojave from the same person as a package deal. That's the cheapest route.

I haven't priced Het. Russo but the same would apply there if they're less. Get a 1.1 from the same person.

People don't like selling single gene males of popular morphs and practically give them away with the purchase of a female.

My Mojo was listed as a 1.1 pair for $300. I don't want the male and had to plead with the seller to get down to $250 for JUST the female.

I have a Super Mojave with some yellow on his back while still a hott animal it can't mess with a Super Lesser. To the Op I'd get a pair of nice Lesser's or a Lesser male and Mojave female if you wanna mess with other combo's down the road.

you could do fire x fire and get a black eyed luc., I could help you out with that in the future..I just picked up a 1.1 fire from J. Kobylka

Cool thing about them is they are the cleanest white imo out of the BEL's also when they do get patterning and color I feel it's the best looking out of the BEL's.

Ditto on the 1.1 from same breeder being cheaptastic. I managed to get my unrelated black pastel male thrown in for free when I asked for a female black pastel. Pick the right breeder, you might be able to get a free male mojo with a female lesser.