Live Plants for my Setup?

So I have been contemplating putting Live plants in my BP's tank.......But I am worried about what would be ok and not ok to have in with her.........Any one with any good suggestions?

Oy, this reminds me of a thread from not too long ago...

Well, if you want real plants keep in mind they are for you. Your bp doesn't need them or care about them. And they can be very hard on them, ie kill/trample/crush them. How about a tub instead? Just more bp friendly, IMO.

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

Oy, this reminds me of a thread from not too long ago...

Well, if you want real plants keep in mind they are for you. Your bp doesn't need them or care about them. And they can be very hard on them, ie kill/trample/crush them. How about a tub instead? Just more bp friendly, IMO.

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Agreed! I just used one for the first time its great!

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Haven't considered doing a tub yet, but I am slightly attached to her Tank, it is a decent size Exo-Terra that she goes all over, I just figured the plants would at least look nice, but I had read somewhere that they can help provide a little extra fresh air and add to the humidity....

I had this simular conversation with a girl at my local pet shop.

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Same person :D

If she is going all over, she is stressed out. A hiding bp is a happy bp. They aren't really display animals. So if you see a lot of her, something is probably not right. I don't see much more of mine other than the occasional head poking out of a hide. Unless its feed day. Then I have some that think they need to remind me, by "pacing" the tub. As if to say, hello??? Food?????

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She has always been a weird BP, never been a hider. and she has a log...it is feeding week for her so I am not surprised by her extra activity. From the day she came in she has always been active, but nothing unhealthy about her, all healthy sheds and extremely friendly demeanor......

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She has always been a weird BP, never been a hider. and she has a log...it is feeding week for her so I am not surprised by her extra activity. From the day she came in she has always been active, but nothing unhealthy about her, all healthy sheds and extremely friendly demeanor......

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I have met her in person she is quite the little socialite.

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She has always been a weird BP, never been a hider. and she has a log...it is feeding week for her so I am not surprised by her extra activity. From the day she came in she has always been active, but nothing unhealthy about her, all healthy sheds and extremely friendly demeanor......

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Those half logs are terrible hides for bps. Not very secure.

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She has always seemed to go towards it even when provided with other hiding places. It is against the back wall of her tank so there is only the front entrance to it, like I said she is a weird BP, none of her behavior has ever been normal.

For your original question i think yoy can try but i also think it will probably get crushed at some point.

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I have those Borneo ferns I showed you earlier, but I am still on and off about those....They are small at least I thought about some vines that are towards the top, but she likes to climb.....so that may not work.......trial and error I guess, I am just more concerned with her health.

Thats why titan and azraels enclosures are simple im just worried about them being happy and healthy. Mine have typical normal behavior though. All they do is hide.

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Mine just has to be the abnormal one.....I realize they are nocturnal...but she is just being goofy tonight climbing on her plants (the ones stuck to the sides) I am surprised the suction cups hold her up.........

Me to shes a big girl.

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If you want them I say get them. I find mine at Petco, but not all locations carry them. They are only 2.99 there so if you lose one or two it won't break the bank. Mine have done fine.
The green with lite green stripe one near the front of the tank keep getting brown leaves. I fertilize and water but they still don't do that well. The others have thrived and are doing great. All the ones on the substrate are real the rest are fake.

http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/...BallPython.jpg

Maybe its just me, but I would never put fertilizer in the same tank as my snakes.

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Maybe its just me, but I would never put fertilizer in the same tank as my snakes.

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I agree ! :)

I do love that set up I like the way it looks, How big is your tank?

I really love the look of planted vivariums and I even have one myself so know when you read the rest of my post. :)

Plants and ball pythons just don't mix well. You can use hardier plants but eventually they will get trampled and ruined, especially if your snake is a busy body and crawls all over the place. My suggestion to you would be to move your ball python to a simple tank or tub setup, and get a really cool display animal to put in a planted tank. That is really the only way the planted viv is worth it in my opinion. My ball pythons are hiding most of the time, so it would be like looking at a tank full of plants.

I feel like if you are going to go through all the trouble to set up a planted viv, you might as well get a nice animal to put in there that will appreciate the plants rather than destroy them. A green tree python, amazon tree boa or a crested gecko would probably do much better in a planted environment.

Agreed, plants and BPs don't generally mix well.

However, a few of my more robust plants in my gecko vivs would likely survive a ball python, and here's a few suggestions:

1) Epiphytes anchored to a background or non-climbing surface

2) Bird nest ferns. I have two that are pretty dang robust, and I think that they'd be a fine viv addition for a ball python.

There are no guarantees that these wouldn't get destroyed by a ball python, but they might make fine accents. The general rule is have few plants, but make sure they are big and robust. I've kept small to medium sized carpet pythons in planted vivs with little to no issues with plant destruction. However, there is a huge difference between a 500g carpet python perched up high and a 500g ball python crawling all over the planted ground.

You might want to contact black jungle terrarium supply and see if they can't offer some specific suggestions.

I don't use any chemical fertilizer in my vivs, that's asking for trouble. I use a fairly nutrient rich soil mixture instead.

That's a forty gallon.

I use a fertilizer stick that is nothing more than Nitrogen, Phosphorus, and Potassium. It stabs into the little planter that the plants are rooted in. I then bury the planter in the substrate. I wouldn't use a fertilizer with any additives though.

One day I will get a rack system but for now the tank is what I have and keeping it the way I do is my choice and my preference over a bare tank. While I know a hiding ball is a happy ball the fact is they do come out and I just prefer to give mine a little world to explore. My ball comes out each night and explores for about an hour then goes back to hiding.

I do agree that it really is mostly for me. I have stated in other threads I really enjoy keeping naturalistic tanks and the creative process I get to go through to make little worlds for my snakes. It is more work but I don't mind doing it and the end result makes me happy and I feel provides a nice environment for my snakes.

Dracaena, Pothos, and Ivy are all hardy low-light plants. I had those in a live vivarium I had set up for a baby ball years ago, and they did well. I imagine there are indoor ferns that would also work well.

Dracaena is a great one as it is tough and if anchored will the snake cannot harm it (aka lucky bamboo although it is a grass not a bamboo at all) it is super easy to keep. I would be careful of chemical fertilizers I may actually use something natural in very small amounts if anything at all.

I actually believe a 100% hiding ball python is unhappy. If a snake NEVER comes out of a hide and is almost always hiding it is likely stressed by the enclosure. Always out roaming the same is true. There is a happy medium here the best indicator of stress is feeding a feeding snake is not stressed. If your snake is feeding regularly and consistently it is fine regardless of the activity.

Live plants look GREAT in a terrarium with small lizards or frogs. They'll look nice in a tank with a baby ball python, but as your snake grows you'll eventually end up with a tank full of crushed dead plants. If you want a more 'natural' looking cage I'd go with plastic plants and interesting looking pieces of dried wood (which will be difficult to clean)

I was wondering for a while how live plants would do...and then I moved up to a 40 gal and put in some plastic ones and my guy seems to take extreme joy in either climbing up and popping out of the ivy, or knocking over his fern and lying on it, as if to just say "hehehehehehehe". -_-

While we're on the subject of "naturalistic" enclosures however, I thought I'd point out these guys: http://www.designsbynature.net/ I've been drooling over some of their backgrounds, and they'll cut them to just about any size you want so if you haven't seen them and want a more interesting 3D background check them out.

- Live plants and heavy bodied, ground dwelling snakes don't mix. :D

- Those backgrounds look really cool, true, but I've found that scrapbooking paper makes awesome backgrounds that you can personalize. :D In my homemade cages, I glue the paper to the wood then cover with clear vinyl. Works perfectly and looks great. :)

I am into snake as well, I have 2 of them and as far as I am concerned I don't like putting much plants in their tank because it consumes their place and might harm them. A little will be fine, but don't overdo it