What is a Good Gene That isn't being Over-used in the Breeding World??

I am thinking about purchasing a female in the near future but if im buying a hatchling now then i need to prepare for two to three years from now before breeding. So what is a good gene to get into that doesnt have a lot of interest as of yet but has potential?

There are quite a few, depends on how much you're looking to spend. IMO, there is not nearly enough quality granite stuff. The nice granite combos I've seen have been amazing, but I've seen much more completely unimpressive stuff that I can barely make out the granite.

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Originally Posted by Shewter325

So what is a good gene to get into that doesnt have a lot of interest as of yet but has potential?

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That's a million dollar question isn't it?

The only "good gene" that I can say is priceless is enchi... Color and pattern changer... A lot still left to do.. Quite a few people are working with them, but I don't care. Their combos are sick, and I want one! Or 5..

Some people can't tell the difference between enchis and normals... The enchi combos are definitely different :D.

I suggest you think of a cool project. Look at how you can produce that combo, and go for it. Buy the ingredients and just do it.

I'd agree with an enchi, by themselves they aren't too spectacular but the way they can change other morphs is really impressive.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

Some people can't tell the difference between enchis and normals... The enchi combos are definitely different :D.

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Sometime's going by pictures online it can be hard to tell the difference. Hatch out a clutch and see them next to their normal siblings and the difference is very much obvious. Love me some Enchis!

I'm not sure how often it is being used, but I do like the desert ghost (recessive) gene. I've only seen pictures, but the adults look outstanding!

Even if it has a lot of interest, it's not widespread: Orange Dream. But I'd rather buy Fire Females and then an OD male ;) Orange Dream Fire :cool:

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Originally Posted by lyfoti05

I'm not sure how often it is being used, but I do like the desert ghost (recessive) gene. I've only seen pictures, but the adults look outstanding!

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Desert females are either dying while laying eggs or are laying only slugs. No one has had a successful clutch from a desert female. The belief now is that the females will never reproduce. As much as I love deserts, I will not be working with them. I might pick up a girl down the line as a pet only.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Desert females are either dying while laying eggs or are laying only slugs. No one has had a successful clutch from a desert female. The belief now is that the females will never reproduce. As much as I love deserts, I will not be working with them. I might pick up a girl down the line as a pet only.

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Lyfoti05 said desert ghost. Not desert.

To the OP. I would suggest busting out an old morph and trying it with the new stuff. You don't hear much about sable anymore. Just as an example. Or maybe grab a breedable sable female and breed her to something new like a male orange dream. Then you will have something truly unique.


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Desert ghost is a excellent choice if you can afford it :gj:
Being recessive means it will hold value longer and not much has been done with it yet.

quality yellow belly
lemonback
woma combos

Desert Ghost
Champagne
Flame
Leopard

Or REALLY high quality examples of about anything. There are LOT of breeders out there throwing together the cheapest versions of the morphs they can get their hands on. Quality in, quality out. Line breeding is an art few seem to have patience for.

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Originally Posted by interloc

Lyfoti05 said desert ghost. Not desert.

To the OP. I would suggest busting out an old morph and trying it with the new stuff. You don't hear much about sable anymore. Just as an example. Or maybe grab a breedable sable female and breed her to something new like a male orange dream. Then you will have something truly unique.


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Yup, I completely missed that!

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Can't go wrong with spotnose stuff.

I think the vanilla gene is still a bit under rated and I think there still has a TON left to be done with Leopard gene.

Het red and sable get my vote. I'll be doing ALOT with those two genes in the very near future.

Only reason I'd say sable isn't the best choice is because the supers can be pretty wobbly. Also the Spider Sable is lethal. If you're going with something dark, I'd go with chocolates! The Chocolate Spiders can be a little "extra" wobbly, but they're not lethal.

I Agree with Red Axathic that Morph is underrated and mixed with other like cinnamon or even pastel give awesome results... Check out combos like gargoyle or red bull.... and shouldn't break your wallet...

If You have big $$$.. GHI Stuff will be way to go :gj::gj::gj:

Clowns. I just don't see clowns getting the same attention as other recessives, particularly pied. But they make spectacular combos.

I'm also partial to black axanthics. Harder to work with, again, because it's recessive. But darker morphs tend to be underutilized in general. (like those red axanthics and sables. Super sables and super chocolates are spectacular, and I don't see a lot of them.)

If you're trying to save money: pinstripes just don't get the attention spiders do. They're still really popular, but they don't get used in all the combos first thing the way spider always are. But they do make great combos.

If you're not trying to save money: heck just buy a banana or a tri-stripe. Or a nice phantom combo. :)

Ah CHOCOLATE... That's definitely a winner in my book... The hypo super chocolate. Imagine the super chocolate clown!!! :bow::bow:

Leopard is definitely a gene worth getting into... I still have yet to jump into that project.. Maybe next year, if I make any money selling snakes, I'll buy one to fit into my collection! They should be a lil cheaper and more available next year :D. I love ocelots and leopard bees! I just so happen to have the other ingredients in 1 snake in my collection already! teehee :D!

These might be a bit more expensive but "go big or go home" is what I've come to say to people who want to get into a breeding project.

Red axanthic, spotnose and calicos for me. Ive only seen a few combos out of these morphs.

I do add spotnose to the mix and I agree chocolate is amazing. I will always love hypo Mojave sables though. Sables are just awesome despite their drawbacks

Ultramel :gj:

Hmmmm. Carpet Pythons. I think they'll be the next big thing.

Them blackheads are purdy.

I agree on calicos! They are cool and still have a lot of potential. I have one because I love calicos!

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Originally Posted by John1982

Them blackheads are purdy.

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Yeah... They are purdy!

Another one is the Mahogany its just now starting to come out with some morphs but they are spendy and they make a truly all black super which is the coolest of the black supers IMO...

If you are going to get into balls go all out and get a RIO. You can never go wrong with a RIO.

i suggest camo they are asome ;)

Wow! I thanks for all the feed back people. It all gives me some good ideas where to head because I was kinda just stuck trying to figure out my next step. BTW what's the camo morph, I don't think I have seen that yet?

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Also where could I find some of these snakes on sale? Per: chocolates, leopard, red or black axanthic, or sables?

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Camo is a Pinstripe Super Chocolate.

Albino. A classic that it seems few people care much about anymore, but has so much potential.

With the toffee compatibility, demand may be up, but I still haven't heard of anyone shooting for a pin or spider toffino.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

Albino. A classic that it seems few people care much about anymore, but has so much potential.

With the toffee compatibility, demand may be up, but I still haven't heard of anyone shooting for a pin or spider toffino.

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Albino popularity IMO has gone down because lavenders, toffees, and candys have made their way into the mix. I think lavenders and toffees are just better than albinos. Rather than spending extra money on a high contrast albino, and hoping that they keep their colors, people can get a high contrast albino that looks hotter and hotter with age! I'm a big fan of the snakes that look BETTER rather than duller as they get bigger.

I believe there are some folks out there who aren't interested in BPs like lavenders or toffees that go through these changes as they get older. I like 'em like I like calicos and other morphs... Though if I had to choose between a calico and a fancy 'bino, I'd go for a calico! Pattern AND color changer? 2 please :bow::gj::D!

I love the spotnose stuff. That head pattern is insane!
Also huge fan of pin stuff. It's not as burnt out as the spider stuff. And I'll agree with calico. Nice nice gene right there. Still trying to find a nice one for myself.



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I think genetic banded gets left out a lot. When was the last time someone saw a genetic banded combo?

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Originally Posted by Gloryhound

I think genetic banded gets left out a lot. When was the last time someone saw a genetic banded combo?

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Yeah i agree, i dont see a lot of genentic banded stuff out there. But also i have heard some people once again say that genetic banded is too similar to other genes like woma, but i can definitely tell the difference in some of the combos i have seen.

It seems like i cant find any of these genes for sale though. Like Chocolate, Red or Black axanthic, Sable, Spotnose, or any other gene mentioned on here. I am basically looking for the base gene maybe het for something but i dont see anything around....

Posted recently:

Chocolate
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ight=chocolate
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ight=chocolate
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ight=chocolate
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=937749
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=935533

Those are just from a quick search on both fauna and kingsnake.
Makes things much easier to find going to the ball section and using the search this forum. Rather than trudging through all the posts. I'll leave the other morphs up to you :)


Edit: Also, I'm not saying these are great breeders or anything. Just showing you the ads. It's up to you to determine the quality of breeder you want to deal with. BOI them before you buy is always a good idea :D

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Originally Posted by Shewter325

It seems like i cant find any of these genes for sale though. Like Chocolate, Red or Black axanthic, Sable, Spotnose, or any other gene mentioned on here. I am basically looking for the base gene maybe het for something but i dont see anything around....

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Like probably a lot of breeders right now, I have 2 or 3 of the morphs you list off in my hatchling racks right now, but none of them are established as they are only a couple weeks old. From what I see listed animals go through the roof in September and October. Then they start to taper down again until the following breeding season.

I think good investments would defiantly be Orange Dreams, Calico's, Leopards, Bannana if your pockets are deep lol. To be honest it's really where or what your trying to do while breeding BP. For instant if you had the money you could get what morph is in hi demand now and by the time your female is ready you could still make a decent buck.

I agree along with others you could never ever go wrong with an Enchi. They make everything look great!

Or you could try cleaning some morphs up like finding a really clean and bright pastel. This is a simple morph that you see every where but it's really hard to find I bright cleans looking pastel that keeps its color down the line! If you were able to produce something like that you would find a nice group of customers including myself! Trust me quality goes a long ways in almost any given topic!

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Originally Posted by Homegrownscales

And I'll agree with calico. Nice nice gene right there. Still trying to find a nice one for myself.



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Since calicos can throw random amounts of white, it shouldn't take too long to find one :D. I would get in touch with Chris Berrios if you want calicos. He's probably sold out by now, but he produces some of the sickest calicos! And they're piggies!

This is one of the males he produced :bow::bow::bow::
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...011551533a.jpg

Imagine having this guy in your rack... Oh baybeh

if you dont want a snake that is overly bred then you are looking at morphs over 10k

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Originally Posted by Shewter325

It seems like i cant find any of these genes for sale though. Like Chocolate, Red or Black axanthic, Sable, Spotnose, or any other gene mentioned on here. I am basically looking for the base gene maybe het for something but i dont see anything around....

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Chocolate: BHB, but he charges quite a bit for them, so you might want to shop around on king snake or fauna (see previous links re: chocolates). If you can afford it, spring for the super.

Sable: Ditto on the super if you can afford. Looks similar to chocolate, but darker, possibly different combo tendencies. NERD and heatherherps have worked with them, I don't know if they currently have any available. Cold Blooded Addiction was showing off some awesome sable mojaves around here, so you can PM coldbloodedaddiction to see if they have extra sables kicking around.

Het red: Ozzy Boids, Corey Woods, RDR. Nice supers. Het reds should be affordable. Not a true het, in that they are fairly distinctive non-normals. Look quite a bit like cinnamons or black pastels, and make neat combos with those genes (gargoyle, onyx).

Spotnose: You know, I'm not a fan, because so many people are working with them all of a sudden? But I also haven't seen them much in combos with this set of morphs. And they can be splashy in combos.

All of these are fairly subtle as single gene morphs. If you don't buy from a trusted breed, be very sure you know and recognize the markings before buying a single gene animal.

Black axanthics: Pricier, rare recessive, so you'd probably want a pair of hets. vpi.com often has them. jkobylkareptiles works with them, I don't know if he'll have any extra hets yet.

Thanks again everyone! This thread has made me understand how much help these forums can be :) I have recently traded and acquired a 600 gram female lemonblast and a 400 gram male pewter so hopefully i can make some cool combos with those while i raise some het axans or one of the others mentioned. I will try to keep yall posted when i finally choose which one of those to invest in!

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Thanks again everyone! This thread has made me understand how much help these forums can be :) I have recently traded and acquired a 600 gram female lemonblast and a 400 gram male pewter so hopefully i can make some cool combos with those while i raise some het axans or one of the others mentioned. I will try to keep yall posted when i finally choose which one of those to invest in!