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BP's and Stress

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  • 03-02-2004, 02:48 PM
    jotay
    I changed my bp's tank around on Friday night ie new hides,removed UTH added human heat pad etc.
    Next night offered food ,it had been 8 days, he didnt eat, no interest at all so I figure he is stressed due to new surroundings.
    He has been in his hot hide since Friday, he did come out Sunday and run around the tank for a couple hours and I have actually seen him drink a few times but other than that hot hide all the way.
    Now my bp seldom used his hot hide before only when I put back in cage after handling he would hang out in it for a few hours then right back to cool side.
    Today it is fairly warm here and I have windows open and temps were fine when I left this am 91.5 in hot hide 81.5 cool side hide, anyway I came home and the temp in hot hide had gone up to 96.5 yet he still didnt leave and retreat to cool side. Same hides on both sides.
    Do bp's tend to stay on hot side when they are stressed.
    His habits have really changed since the tank change.
    Anyone have any ideas on this???
  • 03-02-2004, 03:18 PM
    The_Godfather
    I've never experienced a bp get stressed by moving things around, but I suppose it's possible.
  • 03-02-2004, 03:27 PM
    JLC
    There's probably just something about the new arrangement that makes his warmer hide more comfortable to him now than it was before. Maybe he wanted to be warmer before, but felt more secure in the cold hide? I've heard that they'll tolerate less-than-optimal temperatures if it means they can feel more secure.
  • 03-02-2004, 04:22 PM
    Marla
    Try switching which hide is on which side. If he likes the hide better then he should follow it and you'll know to consider replacing the other hide.
  • 03-03-2004, 12:12 AM
    jotay
    The hides are the same-plastic take out bowls from my fav carryout cut open the same exact measurments thats why I couldnt figure it out.
    My son said maybe cuz there was more stuff around the hot hide like plants and limbs where the cool side hide was out in the open with nothing around it.
    But I changed that and he is out now exploring so we'll see! :)
  • 03-03-2004, 12:49 AM
    Marla
    Your son may well be right -- he may have felt that one was more secure because of the additional cover. You clearly have a budding herper on your hands. :)
  • 03-03-2004, 01:53 AM
    gen
    I'm having a similar issue, I hope you don't mind me butting in on your question. My ball hasn't eaten since I brought him home 2 and a half weeks ago, and I added a second hide to my enclosure so that there would be one on the hot side, and one on the cooler side. (Thanks to Marla's advice) I originally had a hollowed out log on the hot side, and it was pretty open. The one I added on the other side is much more enclosed and secure for him, and he seems to like it better. But he has not left that new hide since I put it in there on Saturday. Is this normal? If he likes the new hide so much and won't leave it for the old one, should I get rid of the log and have the same hide on both sides? I just want to get the ideal set up for my little guy so won't be stressed out and so he'll eat.
  • 03-03-2004, 06:45 AM
    The_Godfather
    Yeah, bp's find a place to sleep and will stay there all day long. They come out at night, you just never see them. They're pretty active at around 2:00 in the morning.

    Is the bp WC, that might help with fixing the feeding problem.
  • 03-03-2004, 08:17 AM
    jotay
    Well Ozzy is tucked in and sleeping in his cool side hide!
    My son must have been right. I 'm proud of him to have picked up on that.
    I think you may be right Marla :)
  • 03-03-2004, 10:00 AM
    Marla
    Gen, you can try fixing the problem with the log being too open by draping a dark bandana or something over it so that it covers the ends nearly completely. That's not as secure as something solid on all sides but the opening, but it may be good enough that he'll use it. If not, a more secure hide is a good idea, though it doesn't have to be identical to the first. Just be creative and try to think like a bp. :) By the way, he probably has come out when you're asleep and eventually you'll see him sometimes late at night or early in the morning cruising his cage.
  • 03-03-2004, 10:01 AM
    Marla
    Jotay, good for him! He apparently has good herp instincts. How old is he? And I'm glad Ozzy seems satisfied with both hides now. :)
  • 03-03-2004, 10:59 AM
    gen
    You're right, it's possible he's come out while I'm sleeping. I used to see him out and about starting around 10 or 11 o clock, but now I haven't seen him out at all. I'll try doing some different things with a hide. :)
  • 03-03-2004, 12:00 PM
    jotay
    Marla,
    He is 13 soon to turn 14 in May.
    Yeah i have been explaining to him what I have learned and alot of the times he tells me the correct things before I even say it. I don't know where he gets it from!?!
    He likes to handle Ozzy and watch him eat other than that his interest is minimal. Tho, the other night when i was cleaning the cage my son and Ozzy took a nap together on his bed, it was so darn cute and my dumb self didn't even get a pic, oh well.

    Thanks everyone for all the help!
  • 03-03-2004, 01:31 PM
    Marla
    Gen, let us know what you try and how it works. It's always good to learn from one another's experiences. :)

    Jotay, sounds like he may just have good instincts for herp care, which is great even if he doesn't choose to put them to use. Maybe you can get a good shot of them together at the next opportunity. I kick myself sometimes for missing a good photo opportunity. :)
  • 03-03-2004, 11:47 PM
    gen
    I found a really cool hide I liked at Petco, so I bought it and replaced the log. It's like a little den made out of rock, and should give him more security then the hollowed out log. He hasn't left the other hide yet, but it's still early so we'll see. I'll let you know if it makes a difference. I also got some fake plants for looks. I know they won't make much difference to my snake, but I think they look cool.

    BTW, Godfather, Monty is not wild caught, he's captive bread. Sorry I didn't answer your question before, I didn't know what you meant by "WC". According to the pet shop I bought him from, he was eating a prekilled mouse regularly once a week. I did see him eat with no problem at the shop before I brought him home. So I think it's just stress over change in environment that's causing him to not eat. Plus I was handling him a lot at first because I didn't know any better. :( Now I'm just trying to do everything I can to make my new buddy feel happy and safe.
  • 03-04-2004, 09:54 AM
    Marla
    Cool, gen. I'm glad you found a more secure hide you like. I hope Monty likes it, too, and he probably will since it's more secure. :)
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