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Hi! this ball python in the picture below is an offspring from my friend's collection, he breeded a cinny to a pastel, they are raised from baby until the get to adults, so it is not possible to be any other morphs, this is their first mating and first clutch to be produced, anyone of you know what this is? i have heard somone in california had produced one ball python same as this. anyone heard of it??
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...ball_thumb.jpg

Someone better at this than I correct me if I'm wrong...but that has a hypo look to it. Can we see the parents?


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No idea.... but dang I love the colors!

yeah i too see hypo, absolutely no cinny in there.

I am seeing hypo as well. Is it possible both patents are het hypo?

Wow the color says hypo, but the pattern is definitely unknown :bow::bow:

I like it a lot!

Hi,

Get him to unroll that shed and see if there is even a trace of pattern on it. :)


dr del

Haha hidden gene cinny or pastel!?

Wow it is beautiful whatever it is. As mentioned check the shed.

Almost certainly a hypo of some kind.

Gale

I have no idea what it is but I will give you $50 for it so you dont have to stress any more. Lol.
Seriously, beautiful snake.

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Originally Posted by Viperidae

Hi! this ball python in the picture below is an offspring from my friend's collection, he breeded a cinny to a pastel, they are raised from baby until the get to adults, so it is not possible to be any other morphs

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So you're ruling out recessive trait morphs without any idea what it is?
Keep an open mind to the possibilities, it's almost certainly a hypo "something" especially seeing that clean shed.

I am sure both parents are not a het or poss het, and definitely its not a hypo, there is a orange coloration with a bit of purple, on the sides there are flame like pattern with orange coloration as well

looks like a harlequin fire.....plus hypo

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Originally Posted by chet1028

I have no idea what it is but I will give you $50 for it so you dont have to stress any more. Lol.
Seriously, beautiful snake.

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HA!

I will give $75!


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That is a crazy looking snake. Almost looks like a Desert Ghost - Orange Ghost Combo. There is no way that those snakes are het for both desert ghost and orange ghost.

Maybe just het ghost with a really nice normal coloring and reduced pattern that causes the ghost to pop.

Amazing luck wish these things happened to me.

Agree with the hypo look. Unroll that shed it looks darn clear the way it is.
It's not totally out of the possibility of hidden hets. It happens alot.
Either way the colors say hypo something too.... No matter what that's a keeper.


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Viperidae, there's no way to rule out the parents being hets, unless they were bred to hypos repeatedly to try to prove it.

If you breed a 50% poss het to a normal, you get 25% poss hets...etc, on down the line. After 50%, people usually just stop mentioning the possibility altogether. Nevertheless, with every breeding, there is a 50/50 chance that the gene will be passed on. As a result, a LOT of morphs out there have het genes now, and a LOT of normal females used as breeders do. If someone produces a clutch of low-percentage poss. het normal females, they just sell them off as normal females.
Breed that female to a cinnamon, produce a clutch of cinnamons, and there you go--a cinnamon that carries the hypo gene, and you never knew it.

That little one is an orange ghost, for certain. I don't know what else he has going on--the clear windows and blushing are spectacular--but that's definitely the hypo gene at work.

There's one additional possibility as well. Random mutations DO happen sometimes. The hypo mutation is not so dramatically uncommon that it could not occur randomly in someone's breeding program. The test will be to repeat the pairing, and see if more orange ghosts are thrown.

absolutely a hypo! without a doubt.

I can see the OG, but doesn't look like it has cinny and doesn't really look like a POG either.


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It is absolutely possible the parents can be het hypos. There are no visual markers for het, so unless the owner has the parents, grandparents, great grandparents, great great grandparents and great great great grandparents of these snakes, you cannot say they aren't het.

I can promise you they are at least het hypo. The rest is hard to say. Patterns can vary so widely, and abnormalities during incubation can cause weird patterns to happen.

It is a really lovely animal. Chances are it will only get more amazing as it grows.

Gale

Definitely Hypo/Ghost of some kind. Beautiful little snake.

Josh

It's definitely gorgeous! And although it makes no sense, it really looks like a hypo caramel albino to me. I can't imagine that the parents could have both been secretly double hets, so I guess I'm stumped? Should certainly be exciting to watch that little guy grow up!

Before I read anything, I looked at the picture and thought pastel hypo.

it's a weird pattern, but maybe it is a pastel orange ghost...

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ghlight=spider

I never thought that was a spider, when i first saw it, I thought it was some kind of pin.

but hey who knows. I hope your friend keeps it to prove it out :)

Call me crazy but I see lesser pastel orange hypo. I wonder if the cinny isn't a really dark lesser.

hey fellas thanks for all your kindly replies, my friend will keep it and try to prove it out it is a new morph or an orange ghost, cause you know it is always differences in a picture and reality, i saw the snake in real, it does not look like an orange ghost or double trait etc...thanks for viewing and commenting on this post, your replies made alot of thoughts for us!

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Call me crazy but I see lesser pastel orange hypo. I wonder if the cinny isn't a really dark lesser.

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I agree. I see lesser and some kind of hypo/ghost.