Ball Bids Opinions?

So I was looking on my Facebook and noticed an ad for ball python bidding called Ball Bids. I started looking at the Facebook thinking what a great idea they had to make some cash while enjoying the hobby. It’s a business where you can bid on low to high end morphs for a fraction of the cost. Now as an (experienced) newbie in the hobby this is music to my ears. But the research I conducted came back all negative. The site and Facebook page kind of looks sketchy like maybe it could be a scam/ not legit. I found some evidence of possible illegal business actions. I don't know anything about the business side of this hobby but it seems like it isn't being done right from what I read. I saw a few other forums stating that the owners might not be taking care of the animals as well as they should. Possibly not worried about their well being and just in it for the dollar type deal.

So to the point,

What’s everyone’s opinion on BallBids.com? Has anyone here won a bid there? If so, how was the experience and how was the snake’s condition?

My opinion:
I don't feel there is enough evidence to incriminate them as a hurtful business in the reptile world. I WILL NOT be placing any bids until I am sure that these people are legit, and are in it for the hobby game instead of the money side. If I found or heard any proof of this business being neglectful to their animals or a scam, I would be more than happy to assist in bringing down the site. I hope there are some people here that dealt with the owners and gives some good reviews. But Bad are excepted just as well.
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They don't possess any of the animals they sell. There is a whole thread on here of it if you search for ballbids. Its pretty bad in my opinion.


http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...light=ballbids

I found the thread.

Thanks. I was sure there was a thread about it already. Oops on the reposting :-)

I posted in the original thread. But to sum it up, they are not to be trusted, nor will I ever do business with them.

Stay far far away... nothing good will come from doing business with penny auction sites. The general concept is a scam.

They set it up so you spend money to buy "bids". But whenever an item goes up for sale they have bots that bid too and always win. They dont have any actual products and they dont need to if their bots always win. They make money off of what everyone spends on "bids". Penny auction sites are always too good to be true lol.

Can a penny auction site work? Yes but to each their own, I personally like to support the breeders that produce their animal.

Now this one sorry but the owner is a liar and shady as they come so it would not matter what kind of business he runs, even if he became a breeder I would still stay away from him.

How can everyone say these negative things about ball bids? They are amazing I love what they are doing for the ball python/reptile world! I am 100000% against ball bids in every way, they are scam artist, they are destroying the ball python/ reptile world. They don't "have any" animals in their possession. I will not buy an animal from anyone who supports ball bids, IMHO anyone who supports ball bids buy selling animals to them is in this hobby for the wrong reasons. Ball pythons/reptiles are animals, they are not a iPod. Other auctions do it the right way, they produced or have the animals in their own collection, and are auctioning them off, and 90% of the time the final price gets close to what the market price of that perticular animal is, and not selling the animal for $4.34 for a pastel female ball python, the final price Is closer to $115(just an example). Ball bids=scam, how can you win a abduction against a machine that automatically bids every time with 1 second left on the clock?

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

They set it up so you spend money to buy "bids". But whenever an item goes up for sale they have bots that bid too and always win. They dont have any actual products and they dont need to if their bots always win. They make money off of what everyone spends on "bids". Penny auction sites are always too good to be true lol.

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Any proof of the bots? You could shut them down with that. Even screen caps of 2 auctions with the same animal could do it.

I don't think anyone who would rather spend their money on quality than quantity(the people here on bp.net) will spend
Much time on ball bids site to do recon to see if they have the same animal pictured twice, or bots. I believe there are bots but I will not spend the time on the site, to find out because i do not want them to have the satisfaction of one extra person on their site daily, but that's my opinion.

its a penny auction site, which is well known to be a scam engine, run by two guys who seem to lie everytime they open their mouth, then get caught... what worries me is when they stop being obvious and dont get caught

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Originally Posted by Dragoon

Any proof of the bots? You could shut them down with that. Even screen caps of 2 auctions with the same animal could do it.

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Maybe not bots, but they are definitely cheating.

More than a few friends of the owners have won multiple auctions during their debut. That alone was shady. Plus when someone out of their little circle won, the auction was convieniently glitched and shut down. The owners stated it was a server error, but everyone knows better. The auction was restarted later totally ignoring the initial winner.

Plus who would want to bid for an animal they don't quarantine. They admited themselves they don't quarantine and get their animals from different breeders. Plus their husbandry was rather poor. They posted pictures of a rack and the snakes were sitting in pools of water. No substrate or anything. There's a whole bunch of bad stuff ranging from poor keeping to getting caught lying. The owners personally posted in the original thread and all their lies were revealed and/or admitted.
There was some stuff about auctioning live animals and not having the correct license in their state being illegal as well.
Check out the thread.

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Originally Posted by Dragoon

Any proof of the bots? You could shut them down with that. Even screen caps of 2 auctions with the same animal could do it.

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Maybe not bots, but they are definitely cheating.

More than a few friends of the owners have won multiple auctions during their debut. That alone was shady. Plus when someone out of their little circle won, the auction was convieniently glitched and shut down. The owners stated it was a server error, but everyone knows better. The auction was restarted later totally ignoring the initial winner.

Plus who would want to bid for an animal they don't quarantine. They admited themselves they don't quarantine and get their animals from different breeders. Plus their husbandry was rather poor. They posted pictures of a rack and the snakes were sitting in pools of water. No substrate or anything. There's a whole bunch of bad stuff ranging from poor keeping to getting caught lying. The owners personally posted in the original thread and all their lies were revealed and/or admitted.
There was some stuff about auctioning live animals and not having the correct license in their state being illegal as well.
Check out the thread.

If you could read posts on another forum prior to anything ball bids about one of the main ppl involved with ball bids you would know why. Trust you would just need to know the history.

Looks like they just had another server error. :(:D

the site looks operational to me

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Originally Posted by iCandiBallPythons

the site looks operational to me

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Check thier Facebook page.

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The freeze tonight was caused by an attack. This is very rare but it does happen. Rest assure that BallBids does and will continue to do everything in its power to prevent this from happening. However in the rare case that an attack actually effects the outcome of an auction, all users will have their bids returned and the auction will be rescheduled at a later time and date as decided by BallBids.

Please understand that this type of an attack is very rare and something that we cannot prevent. We make sure that if such an attack occurs, none of our customers are treated unfairly. Thanks for your Understanding and Loyalty:)

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obviously someone doesn't like them lol

Big fat lying sacks of crap. The whole lot of them. Go ahead and spend your money, everyone gets lucky once in a while and maybe it's your turn. But, if you do and get the poopy end of the stick, don't come here looking for sympathy.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

obviously someone doesn't like them lol

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No, I doubt anyone has attacked their site. There's always a server issue, or an attack - but never anything that they've done. They're just the poor innocent victims. :rolleyes:

Seems an "attack" happens when a normal person wins. Very rarely but does happen lol.

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They did something recently that caused all members to have to re-register - more server issues or an attack. I'm sure. When the users did, their bid packs were lost and they had to request to have them put back. Very shoddy operation. They never can seem to get their stuff together.

Every once in a while, a person affiliated with Ballbids will pop into the forums (one of the few who hasn't been banned for rule infractions). They keep demanding facts and even though many people tell them the facts they ignore them and keep demanding facts. It is actually quite funny. Their main form of discussion with the forums is to insult, call people stupid and unethical. Sounds to me like they are the ones with the issues. I'm also not sure how acting like that improves their image or attracts more business. They could completely ignore the entire BP community, but they just love popping in and stirring up crap. I don't think they are long term, or they wouldn't act so desperate. The community will be a better place when they are gone. It is not good public relations for us that ball pythons have become associated with penny auctions.

Everyone looses. Except the winner and seller! If your cool with that by all means!!!


Jason Rossi
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Whats that saying? Oh its a fool and there money are soon parted. If you fall for Zach's scam YOUR the biggest fool ever.Old Zach's an idiot AKA mark byers AKA 1000 other names point blank.

It costs $0.50 for a $0.01 bid. So if in the end the snake sells for $10.00 they actually make $500.00 on the sell of the animal. The actual bid price means nothing. The only thing that matters is are you the last person bidding. At the end of the auction when like 10 seconds remain if a bid comes in it resets the clock to like 15 seconds to allow someone else to bid again until everyone runs out of bids. Everyone who bought bids but didn't win are out of the money they spent on the bids. You can obviously see where the values they say things sell at are significantly deflated to give everyone a warm and fuzzy.

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Originally Posted by DanKReptiles

So I was looking on my Facebook and noticed an ad for ball python bidding called Ball Bids. I started looking at the Facebook thinking what a great idea they had to make some cash while enjoying the hobby. It’s a business where you can bid on low to high end morphs for a fraction of the cost. Now as an (experienced) newbie in the hobby this is music to my ears. But the research I conducted came back all negative. The site and Facebook page kind of looks sketchy like maybe it could be a scam/ not legit. I found some evidence of possible illegal business actions. I don't know anything about the business side of this hobby but it seems like it isn't being done right from what I read. I saw a few other forums stating that the owners might not be taking care of the animals as well as they should. Possibly not worried about their well being and just in it for the dollar type deal.

So to the point,

What’s everyone’s opinion on BallBids.com? Has anyone here won a bid there? If so, how was the experience and how was the snake’s condition?

My opinion:
I don't feel there is enough evidence to incriminate them as a hurtful business in the reptile world. I WILL NOT be placing any bids until I am sure that these people are legit, and are in it for the hobby game instead of the money side. If I found or heard any proof of this business being neglectful to their animals or a scam, I would be more than happy to assist in bringing down the site. I hope there are some people here that dealt with the owners and gives some good reviews. But Bad are excepted just as well.
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I've watched a couple of auctions on this site. They have 2 clocks that run parallel to eachother. One is the so-called "end" time of the auction, the other is a countdown time for biddin. If the countdown reaches zero the auction will end - regardless of the "end" time (supposedly). Now , I watched an auction tonight where the "end" time keeps resetting to a later time. Also , everytime someone clicks a bid, it adds 10 seconds to the countdown. This means the auction is perpetual. Many financial crooks do a "penny" scam, wherein they handle large transactions in a heavy volume. They skim a penny here and a nickel here off of each account, funneling their skimmed cash into a different account (operated by themselves). In this manner they can skim thousands or even millions of dollars, a "penny" at a time. Now with ball bids, if the clock never runs out, people bidding are still buying bids to use on the site. All the while some of the "people" bidding could just be internal "bot" in their system. So , they are practically stealing peoples money while their own computers are bidding for them.
But I've seen someone win a waterdish from them. But I think this win of "dry goods" is just to keep them under the radar for now. I've not heard of anyone winning an actual snake from there. This is a true scam- and they are taking in countless amount of account info from these hapless folks ( one of them is my girlfriend). I recommend that no one use this site. And if anyone would to help me expose and destroy them, we should work on it now. lunastrix88@yahoo.com is my email.

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Originally Posted by owl_scales88

I've watched a couple of auctions on this site. They have 2 clocks that run parallel to eachother. One is the so-called "end" time of the auction, the other is a countdown time for biddin. If the countdown reaches zero the auction will end - regardless of the "end" time (supposedly). Now , I watched an auction tonight where the "end" time keeps resetting to a later time. Also , everytime someone clicks a bid, it adds 10 seconds to the countdown. This means the auction is perpetual. Many financial crooks do a "penny" scam, wherein they handle large transactions in a heavy volume. They skim a penny here and a nickel here off of each account, funneling their skimmed cash into a different account (operated by themselves). In this manner they can skim thousands or even millions of dollars, a "penny" at a time. Now with ball bids, if the clock never runs out, people bidding are still buying bids to use on the site. All the while some of the "people" bidding could just be internal "bot" in their system. So , they are practically stealing peoples money while their own computers are bidding for them.
But I've seen someone win a waterdish from them. But I think this win of "dry goods" is just to keep them under the radar for now. I've not heard of anyone winning an actual snake from there. This is a true scam- and they are taking in countless amount of account info from these hapless folks ( one of them is my girlfriend). I recommend that no one use this site. And if anyone would to help me expose and destroy them, we should work on it now. lunastrix88@yahoo.com is my email.

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Perhaps you should read the threads here, on fauna, and a bunch of other sites. If you DID that, you'd know a lot more than you appear to.

Also, had your girlfriend won that auction, would you still feel as you do now? Sour grapes eh? You took a chance and lost despite hundreds, if not thousands, of posts on multiple sites totally busting these scumbag lying sacks of crap. Maybe there's a lesson there for you.

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Originally Posted by owl_scales88

I've watched a couple of auctions on this site. They have 2 clocks that run parallel to eachother. One is the so-called "end" time of the auction, the other is a countdown time for biddin. If the countdown reaches zero the auction will end - regardless of the "end" time (supposedly). Now , I watched an auction tonight where the "end" time keeps resetting to a later time. Also , everytime someone clicks a bid, it adds 10 seconds to the countdown. This means the auction is perpetual. Many financial crooks do a "penny" scam, wherein they handle large transactions in a heavy volume. They skim a penny here and a nickel here off of each account, funneling their skimmed cash into a different account (operated by themselves). In this manner they can skim thousands or even millions of dollars, a "penny" at a time. Now with ball bids, if the clock never runs out, people bidding are still buying bids to use on the site. All the while some of the "people" bidding could just be internal "bot" in their system. So , they are practically stealing peoples money while their own computers are bidding for them.
But I've seen someone win a waterdish from them. But I think this win of "dry goods" is just to keep them under the radar for now. I've not heard of anyone winning an actual snake from there. This is a true scam- and they are taking in countless amount of account info from these hapless folks ( one of them is my girlfriend). I recommend that no one use this site. And if anyone would to help me expose and destroy them, we should work on it now. lunastrix88@yahoo.com is my email.

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Hmm i think i smell a troll :rolleyes:.

it is not a scam if you win, you win simple. but most people dont. it cost money to bid, yes. but would you say the stock market is a scam? would you say the gold rush was a scam? it is just a risk that youll have to take just like in any business. dont hate on it. there has been a lot of different winners with youtube unboxings. all animals look healthy. penny auctions are super hard to win.

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Originally Posted by stickyalvinroll

it is not a scam if you win, you win simple. but most people dont. it cost money to bid, yes. but would you say the stock market is a scam? would you say the gold rush was a scam? it is just a risk that youll have to take just like in any business. dont hate on it. there has been a lot of different winners with youtube unboxings. all animals look healthy. penny auctions are super hard to win.

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So then, assuming that you would, doing business with these people of low morals and no compunctions against bald faced lying would be no problem for you?

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Originally Posted by stickyalvinroll

it is not a scam if you win, you win simple. but most people dont. it cost money to bid, yes. but would you say the stock market is a scam? would you say the gold rush was a scam? it is just a risk that youll have to take just like in any business. dont hate on it. there has been a lot of different winners with youtube unboxings. all animals look healthy. penny auctions are super hard to win.

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We don't like their business. But whether or not its legit, we are more against the two founders. Please read the original Ballbids thread. They are liars and sneaks. Their lies are unraveled through out the thread as they comment themselves. They disrespect the the hobby, breeders, and the snakes they flip.

And they do not have proper husbandry or quarantine procedures. I wouldn't want to buy from someone who knows nothing about their own animals.

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I seriously spent HOURS reading the other thread about ballbids. If anybody does use that site and actually receives a snake it should be looked at more as a rescue than a legitimate purchase.

Did anyone catch their post on kingsnake before it was taken down? It reeked of desperation as they tried to sell their business model to breeders. They're looking for breeders to drop ship their snakes to the winners on their site, so they don't have to care for and ship the snakes themselves. Smh...

Honestly, if breeders shipped the snakes directly to the winners, rather than the amateurs at Ballbids getting their hands on them, I wouldn't have as much of an issue with it. I still wouldn't support the site or their practices, but it would be better for the animals.

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Originally Posted by JKPCONSTRICTORS

Honestly, if breeders shipped the snakes directly to the winners, rather than the amateurs at Ballbids getting their hands on them, I wouldn't have as much of an issue with it. I still wouldn't support the site or their practices, but it would be better for the animals.

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Ok so just for example purpose here.A person wins one of the auctions for a ivory ball python female for $5.89 ok .Now the "breeder" drop ships it for ballbids to you in there name(ballbids) not his because its a secret of who is supplying them.Now the winner receives the ivory and without learning proper Quarintine practice(since ballbids doesnt know either they cant pass on the info) he puts it in his rack with his other 15 snakes.Then sadly 7 days later his whole ball python collection is dead because come to find out the ivory came from a breeder that has recently found out his collection is infected with IBD.So since the winner had no idea who the snake was coming from but if he did he would have avoided them all together.Who do you blame? Of course ballbids tells him you are SOL because it didnt come from us.Then since you have no clue who the snake came from your just SOL.So is this still ok to buy bids and possibly be this person?

I wouldn't even use ballbids with somebody else's money.

I LOVE this concept.

In theory it is absolutely marvelous

If a 2nd site popped up, ie. morphbidz.com

And was run by a recognized name in the industry. I would happily drop money on bids.

I think .60 is to much for a bid, id be more then happy paying .10-.25.

Its a risk to play no doubt, everyone loses. Except the winner and the seller.

But why not???

Lose 5 auctions in a row and the. Win one, and all of a sudden your even out pretty quick.

Its made clear thats how it works. If icould buy even 50 bids at 10 cents and bid like madman in the last 15 seconds to win an animal for an additional 10 bucks.. Bring it on!!!

While ballbids has some shadiness to it, and a reputation that imo is unrepairable the concept is awesome.

Just my .02

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Ok so just for example purpose here.A person wins one of the auctions for a ivory ball python female for $5.89 ok .Now the "breeder" drop ships it for ballbids to you in there name(ballbids) not his because its a secret of who is supplying them.Now the winner receives the ivory and without learning proper Quarintine practice(since ballbids doesnt know either they cant pass on the info) he puts it in his rack with his other 15 snakes.Then sadly 7 days later his whole ball python collection is dead because come to find out the ivory came from a breeder that has recently found out his collection is infected with IBD.So since the winner had no idea who the snake was coming from but if he did he would have avoided them all together.Who do you blame? Of course ballbids tells him you are SOL because it didnt come from us.Then since you have no clue who the snake came from your just SOL.So is this still ok to buy bids and possibly be this person?

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How is that ball bidz fault?? Besides id hope someone who has a rack already knows what quarantine is.

There has been lots of questions regarding animal well fair, and thats something that is a concern. Howver if it could be set up closer to ebay. Where ball bidz creates and hosts the auction amd then shipping is seperate between buyer an seller. It could work

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Originally Posted by Simplex

How is that ball bidz fault?? Besides id hope someone who has a rack already knows what quarantine is.

There has been lots of questions regarding animal well fair, and thats something that is a concern. Howver if it could be set up closer to ebay. Where ball bidz creates and hosts the auction amd then shipping is seperate between buyer an seller. It could work

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Well its simple.If they buy from the bad guys in the reptile world because none of the good breeders will sell to them because of there scam site.Its there fault because of there shady ways.Oh plus any good breeder will answer any and all questions any new buyer has.So now do you see my example?

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Well its simple.If they buy from the bad guys in the reptile world because none of the good breeders will sell to them because of there scam site.Its there fault because of there shady ways.Oh plus any good breeder will answer any and all questions any new buyer has.So now do you see my example?

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Now I do yes. I would like to see this setup as a facilitator site for auctions. Like an ebay for balls. They make theres from a portion of the bid sales, sellers make theres from the sale and a portion of the bid sales, and the winners get a steal of a deal. Those that dont win, better luck next time.

If done right, by the right people, with the right safegaurds, it could be an awesome venture for all involved.

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Originally Posted by Simplex

I LOVE this concept.

In theory it is absolutely marvelous

If a 2nd site popped up, ie. morphbidz.com

And was run by a recognized name in the industry. I would happily drop money on bids.

I think .60 is to much for a bid, id be more then happy paying .10-.25.

Its a risk to play no doubt, everyone loses. Except the winner and the seller.

But why not???

Lose 5 auctions in a row and the. Win one, and all of a sudden your even out pretty quick.

Its made clear thats how it works. If icould buy even 50 bids at 10 cents and bid like madman in the last 15 seconds to win an animal for an additional 10 bucks.. Bring it on!!!

While ballbids has some shadiness to it, and a reputation that imo is unrepairable the concept is awesome.

Just my .02

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If someone like NERD or Bob Clark did something like this, it would be amazing.

The owners of Ball Bids are ridiculous though, and anyone who would support them must be stupid. All the threads on here show just that.

There are plenty of fair and honest reptile auctions on the internet.

Look at Ben Siegel Reptiles, NERD, or Bob Clark Reptiles. They have dedicated facebook pages where they host auctions. Their timers are based on the facebook time stamp and they do not require a fee to bid. The clock also does not reset each time someone bids. (Although Ben has one out of a dozen auctions that is a special "over time" auction, where the auction does continues after the end time if someone bids w/i 5 minutes)

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Ok so just for example purpose here.A person wins one of the auctions for a ivory ball python female for $5.89 ok .Now the "breeder" drop ships it for ballbids to you in there name(ballbids) not his because its a secret of who is supplying them.Now the winner receives the ivory and without learning proper Quarintine practice(since ballbids doesnt know either they cant pass on the info) he puts it in his rack with his other 15 snakes.Then sadly 7 days later his whole ball python collection is dead because come to find out the ivory came from a breeder that has recently found out his collection is infected with IBD.So since the winner had no idea who the snake was coming from but if he did he would have avoided them all together.Who do you blame? Of course ballbids tells him you are SOL because it didnt come from us.Then since you have no clue who the snake came from your just SOL.So is this still ok to buy bids and possibly be this person?

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If an individual buys a snake and doesn't quarantine, it's their fault for what happens, it's not all on the seller. I don't support Ballbids, I'd never buy from them, and I would hope that nobody else who takes their hobby seriously would either. It doesn't matter though, we could forever run in circles with these type of arguments. I've seen "het for pastel" balls being sold at reptile shows. I also doubt all the flippers that set up tables properly quarantine their animals. The responsibility should ultimately fall into the hands of the person who purchases the animal. If they want to go cheap and buy from a shady business/person, they're taking a risk. Also, anybody who buys an animal should know how to properly take care of it before they make the purchase. I get tired of hearing people whine and blame others because they didn't want to spend any time doing research first. If somebody doesn't understand basic husbandry and quarantine practices, they have no business owning 15 snakes, as you use in your example.

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Originally Posted by JKPCONSTRICTORS

If an individual buys a snake and doesn't quarantine, it's their fault for what happens, it's not all on the seller. I don't support Ballbids, I'd never buy from them, and I would hope that nobody else who takes their hobby seriously would either. It doesn't matter though, we could forever run in circles with these type of arguments. I've seen "het for pastel" balls being sold at reptile shows. I also doubt all the flippers that set up tables properly quarantine their animals. The responsibility should ultimately fall into the hands of the person who purchases the animal. If they want to go cheap and buy from a shady business/person, they're taking a risk. Also, anybody who buys an animal should know how to properly take care of it before they make the purchase. I get tired of hearing people whine and blame others because they didn't want to spend any time doing research first. If somebody doesn't understand basic husbandry and quarantine practices, they have no business owning 15 snakes, as you use in your example.

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Well if you buy from someone that does know proper husbandry skills at least they can answer any questions a newbie might have.If they ask these diots on ballbids they dont have a clue :rolleyes:.I have seen the het for pastels to at shows and its sad.:mad:

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Well if you buy from someone that does know proper husbandry skills at least they can answer any questions a newbie might have.If they ask these diots on ballbids they dont have a clue :rolleyes:.I have seen the het for pastels to at shows and its sad.:mad:

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I agree. A person will always be better off buying from a knowledgeable and reputable breeder, but they also need to know how to take care of the animal when they get it home. And we all know Ballbids isn't the only shady business in operation. One of the reasons we see so many misidentified and sickly reptiles on Craigslist is because too many people buy animals they don't know anything about. No matter who the seller is, the person who purchases the animal is equally responsible for its well-being.

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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

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If someone like NERD or Bob Clark did something like this, it would be amazing.

The owners of Ball Bids are ridiculous though, and anyone who would support them must be stupid. All the threads on here show just that.

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Thankfully, NERD and Bob Clark wouldn't consider running a penny auction, which are already questionable in nature.

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Originally Posted by stickyalvinroll

it is not a scam if you win, you win simple. but most people dont. it cost money to bid, yes. but would you say the stock market is a scam? would you say the gold rush was a scam? it is just a risk that youll have to take just like in any business. dont hate on it. there has been a lot of different winners with youtube unboxings. all animals look healthy. penny auctions are super hard to win.

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with the last 2 of their auctions ending in a 'do over' I can not justify gambling on a ball python and winning when the site can later say that it does not count. The last 2 'winners' should be absolutely infuriated that they were denied their win.