Breeding Weight Help

Okay so I just finished paying off this 892 gram female clown. (She will be here tomorrow I'm extra excited) anyway my question is do you think it is possible for her to put on 600 grams before the start of the breeding season this year?

Here's a photo the breeder sent me
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m...283_photo1.jpg

Anything is possible, but I doubt she'll be ready for this season.

600g before fall is gonna be a challenge. But they don't have to be 1500 grams to breed either. Some people prefer that, some don't. You can breed year round also. So remember that whenever she hits the magical weight you want her at, pair her then. It doesn't have to be fall :D just remember to not overfeed her to get her up to weight before fall. Figure 100g a month growth...

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It really depends on her feeding habits.
If she's a picky eater, probably not. If she's a great voracious eater, possibly towards the end of the season (maybe closer towards early next year).
How was her growth rate been so far with her breeder?
All snakes grow at their own rate.
I have three Dec/2011 girls in the 400 range. And I have one mojo Dec/2011 girl who is a monster pig and chows down everything. She's already 800 grams and she's the youngest out of the bunch. I don't power feed, but she has never missed a meal.

Yes, anything is possible! Now It is possible if she is a great feeder, and you want to power feed her large meals. It would not be healthy for her tho. IMHO 600 grams is a lot of weight(if you start cooling down in oct.) to put on in less than 3 months. I would say feed her till you cool her down, warm her back up, feed her normal sized meals and just breed her late in the season if she get to proper weight. How old is she? Me personally I would just breed her in the 13/14 season and know she got to the proper weight by a healthy way instead of power feeding her. But it is all up to you, it is your animals.

There is no need for cool downs. You can if you want, but there is a higher frequency of RIs in collections where the breeder did cool downs .
Balls will breed regardless of a cool down period. You just need to put in a male to stimulate breeding.

So - no one has asked yet how old she is. I bred a 4-year old female that had barely reached 1200g with great success (it actually jump-started her growth and now she's 1900g one year after laying). If she's a late 2011 and that weight, you are probably asking too much of her. If she's a 2010, then she might not need to be 1500g. And as Zombie said, there's no reason you have to start breeding her on a certain date - just keep feeding her and keep her conditions normal until she gets where you want her to be.

As for cooling - I cool and have had zero problems with RI, and have had 100% fertility and hatch rates. It isn't necessary, but it isn't an instant vet visit, either.

In a hurry :rolleyes:, more importantly then whether or not can and will put on 600 grams before breeding season which may or may not happen, when did she hatch?

I believe she was born in 2010 but I just emailed the breeder again to double check. Waiting for his response. I am anxious to breed but I am in no way going to risk her health in anyway if she is under weight come this season. It's just not worth it to me. I was just seeing if it was possible for her to gain that weight.

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Originally Posted by DavidMundy

I believe she was born in 2010 but I just emailed the breeder again to double check. Waiting for his response. I am anxious to breed but I am in no way going to risk her health in anyway if she is under weight come this season. It's just not worth it to me. I was just seeing if it was possible for her to gain that weight.

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This is how I figure it...

If she's a 2010 then she's 2 possibly 2 1/2 years old and 892 grams.
So she's gained 446 grams per year if she's 2, even less if she's more than 2.
If she continues to eat at this pace in 1 year from now she will be 1330ish grams.
Will she make weight this season, even late season?
not if she continues to gain weight at the pace she has.

Now if she's an early to mid 2011 then it's game on, feed her well and she'll probably be ready by December/January depending on what month she was born.

I think getting her up to 1200 grams and then start a cool down. after cooling for 2 weeks if she's still eating, place a male with her. don't rush for 600 grams. she already has a good weight to her length by the looks of her in that pic. breeding season is long. if she continues to feed thru it, and by the time she ovulates she should be over 1500 grams. if you rush and slam her with food, this can throw her off feed. and with the age that everyone talks about. she old enough to produce follicles or she's not. I have eggs in my incubator from females that won't be 2 until sometime this month. and the one clutch is due around the 12 of aug. with 7 good eggs. she had good weight to support having eggs, if you try and breed a female that's not muture, what's going to happen? nothing, but maybe her retaining sperm and you have to be aware of that for the next season.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

This is how I figure it...

If she's a 2010 then she's 2 possibly 2 1/2 years old and 892 grams.
So she's gained 446 grams per year if she's 2, even less if she's more than 2.
If she continues to eat at this pace in 1 year from now she will be 1330ish grams.
Will she make weight this season, even late season?
not if she continues to gain weight at the pace she has.

Now if she's an early to mid 2011 then it's game on, feed her well and she'll probably be ready by December/January depending on what month she was born.

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I just got her and on her card her date of birth reads august 9th 2011. So she isn't even a year old and already at 900 grams.

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Originally Posted by DavidMundy

I just got her and on her card her date of birth reads august 9th 2011. So she isn't even a year old and already at 900 grams.

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I wouldn't even consider breeding her until she is at least 18 months old, which wouldn't be until mid-February, and that's IF she keeps eating and growing.

i have a female cinni that has put on 400 grams in 4 1/2 months

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

I wouldn't even consider breeding her until she is at least 18 months old, which wouldn't be until mid-February, and that's IF she keeps eating and growing.

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Why do you prefer 18 months? I know why most people prefer 1500 grams or more but I was under the impression that age doesn't have an effect on breeding whatsoever, only weight. Can you explain for me?

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Why do you prefer 18 months? I know why most people prefer 1500 grams or more but I was under the impression that age doesn't have an effect on breeding whatsoever, only weight. Can you explain for me?

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Weight has an effect on number of eggs and health of the female. She still has to be old enough to be sexually mature, that's usually 18mos or 2nd winter. Some may go before that, some not till later...

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Originally Posted by Zombie

Weight has an effect on number of eggs and health of the female. She still has to be old enough to be sexually mature, that's usually 18mos or 2nd winter. Some may go before that, some not till later...

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Exactly. I won't subject a female to the stress of a breeder male in her enclosure until I think she at least has a chance of being sexually mature.

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Originally Posted by Zombie

Weight has an effect on number of eggs and health of the female. She still has to be old enough to be sexually mature, that's usually 18mos or 2nd winter. Some may go before that, some not till later...

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

Exactly. I won't subject a female to the stress of a breeder male in her enclosure until I think she at least has a chance of being sexually mature.

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Gotcha Thanks guys. I have no problem waiting was I was just wondering why most people talk about the weight rather than the age.

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Originally Posted by DavidMundy

Gotcha Thanks guys. I have no problem waiting was I was just wondering why most people talk about the weight rather than the age.

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It usually takes them that long to get to breeding weight. Some female will breed sooner than that, you just don't know which ones till you try. You can try putting a male to her and seeing if she wags her tail or scents or anything like that, then you'll know. But a good breeder male will lock anything and a lock isn't always a sign that she's ready...

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I know I read in your picture thread that she is less than a year old. In my opinion she's not going to breed for you this year whether or not you get another 600 grams on her. From what I understand 18 months is about the youngest you can get them to go. I'm sure there have been younger females, and I know there have been plenty of females that were much older than that the first time they took.