albino or sunglow??

Well this is my first post here on this forum and I know its for BP mainly and I always lurked but never signed up. And now I have retails and looking to expand but need help I have someone trying to sell me a snake as a sunglow but I'm not positive it is. if I post a pic (I'm not sure how to on here so I need a hand with that) could someone help ID it for me please. Thanks chris!

There are lots of people here with boas too. You need to host the pic somewhere to upload it, like snapbucket I believe its called. I use an app on my phone, tapatalk and its super easy. Get a pic up and we will take a look! Btw, I love sunglows, they are gorgeous!

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yeah post a pic and we can see if its albino or sunglow.

I upload my photos to Photobucket, the copy the IMG code and post it in the response box. I hope this helps :)

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I am no expert, but it looks like a nice Albino to me. Most of the sunglows I have seen are lighter and brighter. It's still pretty, and I would take it. :D

Ok, now I see your tail pic. Tail pic almost looks sunglow colors?
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I would say sunglow myself. It could be a really dark patterned albino I suppose, but I have never seen a straight albino that orange! I am by no means an expert though!

Edit: Well, on a second look (on my phone this time), I am leaning towards straight albino. But it could be a sunglow? I dont know, dont ask me!! LOL! Oh and if its a good deal, I would get it either way!

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Thoes are the 3 pics he gave me and iv seen it in person. The thing is. I sold him my carpet python 2 weeks ago it was a very nippy snake. He couldn't handel it and sold it. And now wants to trade me my pastel ball python for this "sunglow" he also has an albino red tail and I do also. And yes the tail looks much brighter then mine and his albino the rest is about the same. I thought sunglows saddles were smaller and on the tails where its orange it shouldn't have the pink-ish ring around it like albinos (you can see in the pics it has them) I am not into buying and selling and trading a lot I love my pets. But I got the pastel for my girlfriend. And she doesn't spend any time with it. Id love to add a sunglow to my collection. But don't want to trade my BP for another albino red tail. I have one I don't need multiple. On top of my silver pastel red tail male that I have.

This is my sunglow for comparison:
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i1...s/IMAG0659.jpg

Boy when we compare, I'm really leaning towards albino. Where is Vypyrz, and Evenstar? They are boa people.

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That's the thing. By itself it looks like a sunglow against regular albinos its a toss up. Against so nice sunglows like posted it doesn't look like it. I called the breeder that I bought my albino off of, and after 2 pics he said sunglow I sent the 3rd and he said albino. Id ask on the boa forum but after you register they have to approve you and after 2.5 weeks they still haven't ! But good deal trade my pastel BP I paid 65 bucks for, for this snake? I like my ball but my local breeder even said you had your ball 3 months even if trade for an albino its worth a lot more. I was really hoping it is a sunglow.....

I'll trade him my pastel for that, albino or sunglow, where is he, lol?? I'm a member on the boa forum, if you don't mind me taking your pictures, I can post them there when I get home and see what they think. Might take awhile, its not near as active as this place.

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Just for the heck of it, here is another angle of mine:
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i1...s/IMAG0656.jpg

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Just for the heck of it, here is another angle of mine:
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She is beautiful! Doesn't look much like what op posted.

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Yes please post over on the other forum let me know what they say.... are we talking about clay english rtb forum right? I canview just not post there so if you do I can look if you tell me where you posted it. I'm suposed to meet up with him tomorrow at 6. So yeah lol

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Boy when we compare, I'm really leaning towards albino. Where is Vypyrz, and Evenstar? They are boa people.

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Here I am!! LoL..... :P

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She is beautiful! Doesn't look much like what op posted.

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Actually, they do look quite a bit alike. I personally think this snake is a sunglow. I might be somewhat optimistic in my assessment, but the OP's snake has narrow saddles and these saddles are quite distinct. A straight albino will look more faded than this. This boa also appears to be about 4-5 feet (so approximately 1.5-2 years old). Is that accurate?? Pictures can be deceiving...

An albino boa that size would not look this bright. A sunglow would. Tfpets boa appears younger and, therefore, it would appear brighter/more orange. Also, a sunglow is a snake that displays both the recessive gene for albinism and the co-dominant gene for hypomelanism. Hypo boas often have narrower saddles with a sort of "butterfly" or x x pattern. The OP's boa displays this trait.

Having said that, there is no way to be 100% sure until the animal is bred. However, if you only paid $65 for your pastel and the guy is willing to do an even trade, I would snap that boa up in a heartbeat!! Sunglow or not, it is a super nice animal and $65 is a steal for either an albino or a sunglow!

I picked up my sunglow and a hypo for $80. The guy had dreams of breeding for lipsticks. He said he had $600 into the pair no more than 4 months prior. They were born early to mid 2011 from what I was told. He had to move home for the summer from college and his mom wouldn't let him bring them. I am grateful to his mom! So yeah, a $65 ball is a great trade!

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Yes please post over on the other forum let me know what they say.... are we talking about clay english rtb forum right? I canview just not post there so if you do I can look if you tell me where you posted it. I'm suposed to meet up with him tomorrow at 6. So yeah lol

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I posted on redtailboa.com, will let you know what I hear over there.

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Here I am!! LoL..... :P




Actually, they do look quite a bit alike. I personally think this snake is a sunglow. I might be somewhat optimistic in my assessment, but the OP's snake has narrow saddles and these saddles are quite distinct. A straight albino will look more faded than this. This boa also appears to be about 4-5 feet (so approximately 1.5-2 years old). Is that accurate?? Pictures can be deceiving...

An albino boa that size would not look this bright. A sunglow would. Tfpets boa appears younger and, therefore, it would appear brighter/more orange. Also, a sunglow is a snake that displays both the recessive gene for albinism and the co-dominant gene for hypomelanism. Hypo boas often have narrower saddles with a sort of "butterfly" or x x pattern. The OP's boa displays this trait.

Having said that, there is no way to be 100% sure until the animal is bred. However, if you only paid $65 for your pastel and the guy is willing to do an even trade, I would snap that boa up in a heartbeat!! Sunglow or not, it is a super nice animal and $65 is a steal for either an albino or a sunglow!

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Thank you!!! I knew you would have a good solid, confident answer! :)

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Nice light Sunglow you have:gj:

So far 3 votes from rtb.com all say albino with out a doubt. I'll check again in the morning.

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I kind of think albino too, but I can see how it can look sunglow too. I'm not great with boa morphs, never got into them that much, but it kind of reminds me of a lipstick albino? I could be wrong, that was just my first thought, figured I'd throw it in.

Just to throw in my two cents I have a low-expression coral albino (she was the dullest coral in her litter), and at under a year old she's already showing way more pink than I'm seeing in your pictures. These are some photos of her from 3 months ago:
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So I'm leaning towards albino, although she's gorgeous for sure and definitely a steal if you're trading her for a snake that you paid $65 for!

I'm just not seeing sunglow in that baby, color or pattern wise. I vote regular albino.

Over at the boa site, there are two more votes for albino. One says "100% albino, they have 4 sunglows."

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im saying albino

yeah thats what i was worried about, had a feeling it is an albino :-/ thanks for all the help guy and girls. i know its a sweet trade for me paying 65 bucks for my pastel ball. but i got a steal on the ball also. im not sure why the breeder sold me it so cheap. i bought it from a breeder at a reptile show. everyone else wanted 125 and up for there pastels and i ran across this one and he was alot cheaper and looks better. his whole body over all isnt as light as most pastels but towards his belly and down is really yellow! im still confused if i should do the trade or not. like i said before i sold my nippy carpet python 2 weeks ago for 140 bucks. and picked up my current albino RTB for 140 bucks. keep the pastel or do the trade?

Me personally, I would trade. But I want an albino or sunglow, so maybe I'm not the best person to ask :D

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Well owning 1 femalle albino already if I do the trade I'm going to want to trade it again for a male atleast because 2 albino females do me no good. Unless I can get a trade for some kind of nice ball morph. How much is a typical pastel bp worth?

ohh an no it is not an adult snake its maybe a year old tops id say is about 2 to 2.5 feet long

Yup. Looks albino.

Pastels are worth $75-200 depending on quality and sex. Most males run around $75-100. Females $150-200.

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So even though this is an albino it is worth more still then my pastel bp? I just got another pic from him and noticed its got an orange line above its top lip..... ill post a pic its kinda neat. I can also post a pic of my pastel ball python idk why the breeder sold it to me for 65bucks its a male

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What's the deal with this? Snake looks pretty good here. Its pics like that one that make me think its not a regular albino

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I noticed in the background of that pic it appears its another rtb of his. Because it sure isn't an albino or sunglow.... also here is a pic of my BP that he wants. Like I said I was told its a pastel and I got him for 65 bucks

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...3402053459.jpg

That's a nice looking albino.

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I just got another pic from him and noticed its got an orange line above its top lip

What's the deal with this? Snake looks pretty good here. Its pics like that one that make me think its not a regular albino

I noticed in the background of that pic it appears its another rtb of his. Because it sure isn't an albino or sunglow...

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The boa "mustache" as those lip markings are called are common on all boas, albino or not (all my boas have them). I am confident that that is a regular albino and nothing more (ie no sunglow): there's just nothing about it that's making me see a sunglow.

There is another boa in the background. Owner was probably doing a photoshoot with all his/her snakes.

Here's a pic of a hypo mustache:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i3...0127-Copy2.jpg

albino for pastel i would take that trade just make sure you get the right enclouser for him boas dont do well in glass tanks or racks after a certain size I.E. after about 5ft

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albino for pastel i would take that trade just make sure you get the right enclouser for him boas dont do well in glass tanks or racks after a certain size I.E. after about 5ft

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i know, my pastel boa and my albino boa are both still pretty small, and so is this guy. thats the thing though if i trade the ball for this, ill be needing a new cage soon so at that point ill just build a 3 stack enclosure for them. thanks though (ill come back asking for pics of peoples home made enclosures then haha)

the pic of my ball python i posted, does it look like theres a reason i got it so cheap? just poor color and quality? it doesnt look like most pastels iv seen. and it has bright yellow aat the bottom towards the belly

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the pic of my ball python i posted, does it look like theres a reason i got it so cheap? just poor color and quality? it doesnt look like most pastels iv seen. and it has bright yellow aat the bottom towards the belly

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The yellow towards the belly is another trait common with all pastels. He looks like a cute little pastel though, do you have more photos of the snake? Sellers can charge whatever they like, maybe they just wanted to move out snakes and discounted the male to $65?

yes but nothing good... ill post a few more of him. i just want to make sure i didnt get some killer deal on him and it be worth alot more and trade him and then kick myself in the ass. i figure if its just a plain run of the mill pastel i can let him go as the albino is worth more. though when i bought him there were other breeders trying to sell pastels that didnt look no where as nice for like 150

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looks like a average pastel good pastel or junk? worth more or less the the albino rtb? lol

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yes but nothing good... ill post a few more of him. i just want to make sure i didnt get some killer deal on him and it be worth alot more and trade him and then kick myself in the ass. i figure if its just a plain run of the mill pastel i can let him go as the albino is worth more. though when i bought him there were other breeders trying to sell pastels that didnt look no where as nice for like 150

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That is a very nice pastel. Is it worth more than an albino boa? Maybe, maybe not. Frankly, only you can answer that one for sure. It depends on what you want and what you want to do with it. A male pastel will generally sell for 100-175. An albino boa will usually go for closer to 200. Monetarily, that is "worth more." But are you planning on breeding balls? If so, that nice pastel male will be worth more because of the genetics he can give you down the road. On the other hand, if you just want an awesome pet, you can't go wrong with that albino boa.

As a side note, I was thinking this snake was older when I first posted. You've since clarified that this boa is only about a year old, I think? If that's the case, then I'd agree that it is a straight albino and not a sunglow (and not a coral or lipstick albino either - just a straight albino). Young/baby albino boas are very bright and colorful. Their pinks and oranges will fade as they get older. They are still beautiful - their markings are subdued and subtle, but they are very pretty snakes. :gj:

I would make the trade. But I am a boa freak, lol, and I'd love to add an albino to my projects. And I am not generally a fan of pastel BPs. BUT that is my personal opinion. You will have to make your own decision. ;)

Well I tooksome more pics of the BP today outside in natural sunlight. Thoes pics are about 4 to 5 months old. I posted them in the BP section and from what it looks like now, everyone agreed it was an average to lower end ball from a top view it doesn't even look like a pastel the color isn't very light but his pattern was okay. Long story short I made the trade even though I already have a female albino baby. So odds are I will try trading the one I got today for a male sunglow, or something. A trade for a male albino would be a loss on my part. I figured I ust traded a 65 dollar snake for a 200+ dollar snake. Idk about breeding, never done it before. Id like to but id immagine balls are harder having to incubate eggs and all. Guess I will see what the reptile show can offer in 3 weeks. Or maybe someone on here wants to work something out. I appreciate everyones help and advise! OHHHH and I'm pretty sure the kid lied to me, he slipped up when I was there and he had a friend there that asked what kinda snake it is and he replied "albino.....sunglow" then showed me his new motley rtb and I asked what he paid and he said "350 and my sunglow" then quickly changed it to albino. So either A he's a retard because he doesn't know snakes or slipped up. But I saw both of them together and they honestly looked identical I don't think either were sunglows.

Color isn't a good indicator of whether a boa is a sunglow or an albino. There are really washed out sunglows, and really colorful albinos.

The boa in the first post has fully connected saddles, no suggestion of the reduced hypo pattern whatsoever. It's definitely an albino.

Having done the trade, you 100% made the right choice. As everyone else has said, i do believe she is just a fanominal albino. Personally i would keep both female albinos and simply get a male hypo het albino to breed to both. Dont get rid of a gorgeous female when you can spend around $125 and in a couple years make $1000+ per female easy. Btw the person you were dealing with does not sound too good with money if he traded a yearling albino female boa for a pastel male bp, and then 350 and a sunglow for a motley. None of that makes any sense....if he tried to lie to you he sure as heck got what was coming to him cause he seems to have lost out BIG time on a coupme trades....

With all that said I compared her to my other baby female that I have that was sold to me as just an albino and her color is just as well..... BUT she does hae reduced saddles that are not connected. I can post a picture tomorrow. Weird part is I bought that one from a guy that breeds his few redtails and sells out of his house. He had albinos and sunglows. The sunglows he was selling didn't look like some of the pics that were posted thought. He had a couple sunglows and albinos out showing me when I was buying it. Did he mix them up I wonder now? Lol I think I'm just being too optimistic now but either way I'm content. Now with that point made about breeding the 2 females. It won't make anything nice with my male pastel that I have so that makes me wonder if I should sell him and get another type of male.