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DOES NE ONE KNOW???

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  • 02-16-2004, 03:50 PM
    pimp_n_python
    Does a freezer burnt mouse cause any harm to your snake??

    let me know what you think??
  • 02-16-2004, 03:55 PM
    invadertoast
    DOES NE ONE KNOW???
    I've never had a problem with it...
  • 02-16-2004, 05:28 PM
    Marla
    I think it would affect smell and taste but not nutritional value.
  • 02-18-2004, 11:36 AM
    CTReptileRescue
    We've fed a few freezer burnt mice, but only cut up to the monitors, they will eat anything, so I don't know about giving them to your snakes. don't think it would be a big deal thou.
    Thanks
    Rusty
  • 02-18-2004, 03:28 PM
    Tigergenesis
    Freezer burn affects taste only - not quality. When I get home I'll try to remember to post some links I have on the subject.
  • 02-18-2004, 04:50 PM
    pimp_n_python
    thanks everyone Just wanted some confirmation on what I already thought
    and i got it!!
  • 02-18-2004, 08:03 PM
    Kara
    What I want to know is who on earth tasted regular vs. freezer-burned frozen rodents to determine the taste difference!?!?!?!? ;) (j/k)
  • 02-18-2004, 08:22 PM
    CTReptileRescue
    oh dang, you caught me, Now I just put salt and pepper on the freezer burnt ones, and it's not so bad :D
  • 02-18-2004, 08:31 PM
    beaglegod
    LOve that avitar Marla. :D
  • 02-18-2004, 11:34 PM
    Marla
    Thanks Paul! I needed something different, like everyone else. ;)
  • 02-19-2004, 01:50 AM
    Hoomi
    I would think the biggest problem would be the fact that freezer burn would affect the smell, and since snakes key in quite a bit on the smell of the prey, they might not associate the "freezer burnt" smell with "edible".

    I've noticed that my BP's tend to be more enthusiastic about fresh killed rats over F/T. I know that anything frozen can pick up a bit of freezer smell, and based on their reaction, the "untainted" fresh smell gets their attention faster than the F/T smell.
  • 02-19-2004, 07:33 AM
    Tigergenesis
    But it could be the difference in temp and/or the difference in smell that makes them more excited about prekilled over frozen/thawed.
  • 02-19-2004, 08:05 PM
    Hoomi
    Could be, but since their initial excitement is based on the "taste" of the prey on the air, detected with the flicking of their tongues, I'm assuming that smell plays more into it than the temperature does.

    Of course, I also know what happens when I assume....
  • 02-20-2004, 11:23 AM
    Kara
    Corn appetite
    In my experience it's a difference of temperature more than anything. Get a F/T rodent hot enough & you'd be amazed at the feeding response it can elicit. That's the point of all those thermoreceptive labial pits, after all.

    K
  • 02-20-2004, 11:39 AM
    Marla
    Oddly, though, the normal body temp of a mouse is 98.6F -- which would certainly explain some SFEs -- so it seems strange for a snake to want it warmer than that.
  • 02-20-2004, 12:16 PM
    Tigergenesis
    feild herping
    Quote:

    which would certainly explain some SFEs
    What does "SFE" stand for?

    My BP won't take a F/T feeder unless it's warmed to a minimum of 108 degrees on the outside (I check with a temp gun). I've experiemented and 108 seems to be the magic number!
  • 02-20-2004, 12:53 PM
    RPlank
    SFE=Stupid Feeding Error, which normally is the cause of a bite.
  • 02-20-2004, 02:54 PM
    Marla
    I've read before that your snake wants a temp of 108F outside the body, which is why I checked the normal body temp of a mouse. For rats, normal body temp is 99.5F; for hamsters anywhere from 95 to 105.8; gerbils, chipmunks, rabbits, chinchillas. and guinea pigs about 100F. I couldn't find normal temp for jerboas, but they are very fast, small mammals, so somewhere between gerbils and hamsters would make sense to me.
  • 02-20-2004, 05:14 PM
    beaglegod
    wow Marla howd you get all those critters to stay still while you checked their temperature? :lol:
  • 02-20-2004, 05:20 PM
    Marla
    LOL, Paul. I just passed out tiny thermometers and wrote down what they reported. ;)
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