Cinnamons vs. Normals

Now, adult cinnamons I can typically spot, but the main reason I won't breed cinnamons is because I have a very hard time telling the difference between cinnamons and normals.

And the last thing I'd want to do is label a normal as a cinnamon or a cinnamon as a normal.

I really want to make some supers in the future, but there are two main things holding me back.

The part I stated above, and the deformities that tend to come with cinnies.


What are some trade marks that tell you "This is a cinnamon!"

This is a cinnamon :
http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/...ids/cinny1.png
http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/...ids/feed23.png
http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/...achnids/c9.png

This is a normal :

http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/...ds/normal4.png
http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/...eekingcute.png

Both are mine :D

You can tell the differences easily though because my cinnamon is a prime example of the morph and my normal is just outstanding in my eyes.

So I'm guessing normals have more yellow to them, while cinnamons are more earthy colored?
I've seen some cinnamons that look a lot like normals, though. :(

Cinnamons have no yellow pigment to them. They show more reddish brown colors to them than a normal ball python. The pictures above are great examples of this. When you see them side by side, its much easier to tell the difference.

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for me i don't think cinnies look like normals in any way. now if it was black pastel then it probably would be a little hard to tell them apart. but cinnies have floating donut patterns that normals do not. also color is nothing compared to a normal as well as the back blushing that tends to be alot in some cinnies. and finally the head is a way to tell them apart.

this is my cinny
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/...1990/cinny.jpg

this is my normal. looks nothing like a cinny
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/...1990/003-1.jpg

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Cinnamons have no yellow pigment to them. They show more reddish brown colors to them than a normal ball python. The pictures above are great examples of this. When you see them side by side, its much easier to tell the difference.

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It makes me feel a little bit silly, seeing as looking at them side by side makes it obvious.
But separately spread out, it's a bit more difficult.

Trust me when you hatch them there is no mistake! Donuts color clear belly no yellow. Super easy when side by side!

One thing to look for in a hatchling, is the 'blended' colors on the head, some more extreme than others, but still more noticeable in person than lots of photos. Some will have squiggles down their body, while others have donuts, but usually either of these are very obvious, without comparing side by side to a normal. Even with the colors being closer to 'normal' colored, these things will usually stand out.

im with them ^^^ on this one there is no way to confuse a cinny for a normal not even in black and grey.

http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/...90/cinny-1.jpg

http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/...90/003-1-1.jpg

I dont think you will have a hard time distinguishing them once you get them beside one another. Here's my cinnie and I dont think she looks anything like a normal:

http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/...Cinnielady.png

The reason I have trouble is because I always passed off cinnies as a minor morph, but as I was looking at what these guys can do, I was sadly mistaken.

Don't worry. I used to think Cinnies looked like normals too. But the longer you spend looking at different morphs and the sometimes subtle characteristics that distinguish them, the less subtle those characteristics will become. Over time you will be able to pick out small things that distinguish a morph with ease. It just takes a little practice. ;) Now I look at a Cinnie and can easily see the difference. They look nothing alike! But to the untrained eye, they can look very similar. :) No worries. The more you see the easier it will get. ;)

Heres mine. Look at the belly on her. She has these little white wiggles. Red blushing makes a nice cinny. Ive also read that cinnamons almost always have a dorsal line of spots or a stripe or something like that http://img.tapatalk.com/d03624bc-641e-19c5.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d03624bc-6493-9886.jpg

Cinnnamons alien heads have alot of donuts and sometimes their alien heads connect and squiggle together. Alot of times they either have dorsal stiping or no striping and just blushed backs. Also the coloration is way different. Cinnamons are generally darker, and more reddish brown than normals.

As far as breeding i say go for it. Spiders wobble but TONS of people still breed them. Ive talked with a local breeder whose hatched out alot of supers and he said that kinking is very possible and hes hatched out kinked supers before. But he said it shouldnt deter people from breeding them. He showed me one he had that he said was kinked. It took me a few seconds to find it bc it wasnt very obvious at all. The snake still lives a normal healthy life. I wouldnt let that deter you from breeding them.

My biggest indicator is the outlining of their patterns. in every one of the cinny pictures provided you can see the distinct BLACK outlining of all bubbles, squiggles, alien heads, and such on their sides. It's like in the children coloring pages, you always color withink the black lines lol just saying. Anyhoo yeah they're more brown or red, but my biggest indicator is definitely the black outlines.

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Heres mine. Look at the belly on her. She has these little white wiggles. Red blushing makes a nice cinny. Ive also read that cinnamons almost always have a dorsal line of spots or a stripe or something like that http://img.tapatalk.com/d03624bc-641e-19c5.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d03624bc-6493-9886.jpg

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Unless they are black back cinnies, which is what I produce.


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Don't feel bad hon,

There actually ARE a lot of cinny's out there that at first glance can be mistaken for a normal. The ones pictured here are really great examples, and are easy to spot. Have you ever look at the Hunter's Guide ?

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-Black-Pastels

This is a huge help, and you can see there are some cinnamons that do look a lot like a normal at first.

Gale