Which is het clown?

I know there are no 100% guaranteed markers for hets, but sometimes, people can spot the difference between a het clown and a normal. Just wondering if those of you with the trained eye can spot which one might be het clown.

These are both 66% hets that are priced right and really clowe to me, so I'll save on shipping. Probably going to bring one home later today.

Candidate 1:
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...s/5480ff03.jpg

Candidate 2:
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...s/53996a0a.jpg

My guess is candidate 1 due to the solid brown color.... But your guess is as good as mine!

Could be none,
Could be both,
I personally wouldn't choose, I'd use the money saved on shipping and buy both if priced decently enough.

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Originally Posted by ball-nut

Could be none,
Could be both,
I personally wouldn't choose, I'd use the money saved on shipping and buy both if priced decently enough.

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It's not THAT much money saved on shipping lol. And I have enough room for 1 more snake, and my collection is complete!

It's cheaper than any other adult, and theres a possibility one of them (or neither) is het clown.

I was told you could only prove out hets through breeding, and that appearance could be misleading.
But I could be wrong, I'd got with #1.

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Originally Posted by Navy

I was told you could only prove out hets through breeding, and that appearance could be misleading.
But I could be wrong, I'd got with #1.

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You are 100% correct. Sometimes, specifically with the clown gene, the clown will really make it's presence known! Check out this super pastel het clown!

http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...s/3a2d2add.jpg

It almost looks like a pastel desert with an insane head pattern :gj:.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

You are 100% correct. Sometimes, specifically with the clown gene, the clown will really make it's presence known! Check out this super pastel het clown!

http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...s/3a2d2add.jpg

It almost looks like a pastel desert with an insane head pattern :gj:.

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Wow, that's a beautiful snake.

I love clowns.
They're my favorite recessive.

I dont even know what "markers" to look for. What would indicate a snake is het for clown??

And that super pastel het clown is off the chain!!!

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Originally Posted by Andybill

I dont even know what "markers" to look for. What would indicate a snake is het for clown??

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I've read posts and seen videos where people say they can spot a het clown. As you can see from the photo of the SPHC, the clown gene changed the look of that super pastel. I've seen other examples of this in other animals as well.

By the lack of votes, im guessing nobody knows lol.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

I've read posts and seen videos where people say they can spot a het clown. As you can see from the photo of the SPHC, the clown gene changed the look of that super pastel. I've seen other examples of this in other animals as well.

By the lack of votes, im guessing nobody knows lol.

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Yeah it really did something wacky to that sp! But I have seen a thread or 2 that had both opinions that yes you can spot a het clown and no there is no way to spot a het clown! I know every now and then het gene carriers have some really outrageous patterns but I have yet to see someone actually point out what markers to keep an eye out for... I wish you luck on your het clown endeavors my friend! :gj:

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Originally Posted by Andybill

Yeah it really did something wacky to that sp! But I have seen a thread or 2 that had both opinions that yes you can spot a het clown and no there is no way to spot a het clown! I know every now and then het gene carriers have some really outrageous patterns but I have yet to see someone actually point out what markers to keep an eye out for... I wish you luck on your het clown endeavors my friend! :gj:

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Ditto! Nobody ever explains the clown "markers"!

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by h00blah

You are 100% correct. Sometimes, specifically with the clown gene, the clown will really make it's presence known! Check out this super pastel het clown!

http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...s/3a2d2add.jpg

It almost looks like a pastel desert with an insane head pattern :gj:.

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OMG...what a gorgeous snake!

:O

I have 2 100% het Clowns who have produced Clowns for their former owner.

To me, they just look like normals.

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...7/biggirl2.jpg

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...7/biggirl1.jpg

I also have a Kobylka 100% het Clown male and he just looks normal, too.

Unless I can get them to produce babies this season, I reckon I'll never know for sure.

I also have an alleged het Albino but without any males for her, I'm just considering her to be a normal.

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Originally Posted by Salamander

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...7/biggirl1.jpg

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Whoa, she's hot!!!

h00blah, I don't know anything about what to look for in het clowns. I will, however, take a pic of my het clown male for you tomorrow. If it helps.......

I think that some 100% het clowns do have a 'look' to them, but not all.
The clown gene is pretty prominent in the physical appearance of certain snakes (Like that Super pastel in the previous post), but there are some that look 'normal'.
I have a female pastel 100% het clown that seems to be brighter and cleaner than the typical pastel. Some of her neck pattern seems to have larger alien eyes, which usually indicates clown to me in some snakes.
I don't know if it's coincidence, but she even has the same head cap pattern as that het clown super pastel as well. And I've seen that head cap pattern on 3 other non related pastel 100% het clowns now.

In certain examples, I believe the het gene really shines through.
In normal het. clowns, I've noticed that the stripe on the back of their necks(or their dorsal stripes in general) are usually a fat thick stripe compared to thinner stripes of normal normals. Salamander's second snake has this trait. I'm sure there are exceptions and I could be totally wrong with this, but that's what I've noticed with most of the het. clowns I've seen.


Here's my pastel 100% het clown girl.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/aznw1f/cln.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...IMG_6039-1.jpg

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Here's my pastel 100% het clown girl.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/aznw1f/cln.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...IMG_6039-1.jpg

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She is SMOKIN!!!

SMOKIN snake satomi :bow:

I'm just going to go with number 1 since her color is cooler than candidate 2's color to me :D. Picking her up on Saturday :P!

Your better off just buying a Het Clown. They are cheap enough now days.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

Your better off just buying a Het Clown. They are cheap enough now days.

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Agreed. If you only have room for 1, go with 100%.

Some het clowns are much brighter and just have a "look" to them, that's difficult to explain. I don't see that "look" in those poss hets.

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To me, personally, neither look like het clowns. If I were to bet on it, I'd go with neither proving out.

Thanks!

I appreciate your feedback guys :gj:

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Originally Posted by heathers*bps

Whoa, she's hot!!!

h00blah, I don't know anything about what to look for in het clowns. I will, however, take a pic of my het clown male for you tomorrow. If it helps.......

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Is she?

I honestly don't know.

I think she has a funky cool pattern and that's about it....LOL

Her name is Agnes and for reasons that elude me, she cost more than the other girl, Leah.

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Originally Posted by andybill

she is smokin!!!

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Whoa!

:O

I would like to add though....I am on my phone with a shattered screen (damn you iphone!) and can't see the pictures as well. And I'm sure not EVERY het clown has that certain look to them, so you could always get one and take a gamble. IF you are set on getting one, I'd get the first one.

There were several discussions on other forums about clown markers and I think I remember reading that most het clowns had a striped neck. I do however agree that you should go with 100 percent clown instead.

Well remember guys, she's already 1200 grams lol. That's a pretty good deal even for a 66% het.

I'm not dead-set on getting one. I just thought it'd be cool to have a little pos het project going, seeing as it's kindof a fun gamble lol.

Either she's a het and I get some cool clown stuff, or she's not, but I still get baby snakes :D.

If the price is right then I guess you wont be loosing anything. :gj:

Honestly, I'd guess number two.. From my experience and from a long conversation on the subject with another breeder who has consistently picked out het clowns with no issues, I can say this... They are usually a shade or two lighter than normals, and for some reason, the scales along the spine are a bit bigger with more of a "space" between each of those scales. Where you can see more of an outline around each one.

I'm seeing these traits in the one in the second photo.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

From my experience and from a long conversation on the subject with another breeder who has consistently picked out het clowns with no issues

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What does this breeder think? I want to get his vote as well ;):D:gj:.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

What does this breeder think? I want to get his vote as well ;):D:gj:.

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His name is Troy and he's in southern Illinois. Let me see if I can find his info.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

His name is Troy and he's in southern Illinois. Let me see if I can find his info.

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You can link him to the thread :gj:. I have until Friday to decide on this one lol.

I would place my bet on number one, and if photobucket was not doing maintenance I'd show you why...

Back later with pics...

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

I would place my bet on number one, and if photobucket was not doing maintenance I'd show you why...

Back later with pics...

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Well you have my attention! :)

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Originally Posted by h00blah

You can link him to the thread :gj:. I have until Friday to decide on this one lol.

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Ok Travis, I sent him an email with a link to this thread. His names Troy Dozier. Hopefully he gets it soon and gets back to you. As far as I know, he's very good at picking out het clowns so maybe he can give you some insight.

Ok now that photobucket is cooperating...Now that I'm past tired...but here goes.

Het clowns and co-dom het clowns from what I've produced tend to have aliens that look like they are dripping/melting into the belly, the yb hets we made exemplify this trait ALOT
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ns/middle1.jpg

Het clowns tend to have a neck stripe that ends bluntly behind the head like this yellowbelly het clown...
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...hetclown-1.jpg
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...bhetclowns.jpg
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...tclownfem6.jpg

I have produced a bunch of yellowbelly's and none looked anything like the yb het clowns do.

I have also produced a bunch of black pastels and the black pastel het clowns we produced last year also have the drippy aliens unlike others I have produced.
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/IMG_1437.jpg

Female 100% het clown...high gold neck stripe, drippy aliens.
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...ehetclown1.jpg
Male 100% het clown showing the white coming up off of the belly...
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...y/IMG_0651.jpg

All 35 of the 100% het normals I produced last year had the same head spot, but I have noticed it seems to fade some as they grow and I'm not sure ALL 100% hets have it, but mine did.

Maybe this helps, maybe not, but I'm a firm believer in the clown gene doing some crazy stuff to anything it touches.

I think the drippiness of the aliens is part of the clown teardrops.

Those YBs definitely look like exceptional examples of YB, and it might be due to the het clown gene :gj:.

Thanks for the informative post on "markers".

Thanks Foschi! I hope to hear from him soon! Since the female is 66% het anyways, I'll enjoy the gamble :D.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

Those YBs definitely look like exceptional examples of YB, and it might be due to the het clown gene :gj:.

Thanks for the informative post on "markers".

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The yellowbelly I used to make these yb hets is a very plain jane low flamage yellowbelly, which leads me to completely agree with your comment, the clown gene changes the yb pattern immensely imo.

Poop... The guy said that both of them have refused food for the past 2 weeks so he's going to have to pass on the sale.. Sounds like an excuse, but hey - if he doesn't want to sell 'em to me, then he doesn't have to :confuzd:...