Aggressive females

I have 3 females to a tub and I have a male that is 350g and one that is a little over 200g. I alternate males and tubs (so tub2 has male 1 in it for the first week and then tub 3 has male 2 in it the next and so on through tub 7...Tub 1 is for the male that is not breeding for the week). ANYWAY, I put male 2 into tub 3 and 2 of the females got pretty aggressive with dude today... I think those 2 might be pregnant because they were paired with male 1 a couple weeks ago for about a week while I was building the rack. They never seemed interested and everytime I went in to check on them they were always sleeping and usually seperated from the male. Now they look all fat and were being very aggressive toward the guy. Is this because they are pregnant or is it because he is still a little smaller than them? The girls are around 240g and I introduced home boy a couple days ago but noticed their attitude toward him today when I was checking water and food...

ummm...

I don't even know where to begin with this.

You should stop breeding, you have no idea what your doing by the sounds of it.

Ok well then tell me what I am doing wrong? I am all ears. I am not sure what I am doing wrong.... I dont just stop when things get difficult or whatever I live and learn and when I have questions I ask. Would you care to enlighten me???

I owe you an appology, I thought I was browsing the ball-python thread. I am very sorry haha, I read over it a few more times before I realized you were talking about rats haha.

Cheers,
Chris.

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Originally Posted by decensored

I owe you an appology, I thought I was browsing the ball-python thread. I am very sorry haha, I read over it a few more times before I realized you were talking about rats haha.

Cheers,
Chris.

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Appreciate it lol! I was about to get heated! :) But really I am new to the rat breeding thing so I could probably use some help! :gj:

I read this and thought it was bps too. Im on my phone so the sections arent as obvious. My reaction was like "wtf am i reading this right?!?!"

lolol idk about rat breeding, sorry bro!

Chris you werent alone lol!

Lol it sounded kinda ludacris for ball pythons but I did go meet a guy I met off of the classafieds to pick up a few snakes and his breeding meathod was similar to what you explained but he was doing it with snakes. HAHA I lost it on him, and I should have picked up on what you were saying.

Sorry again. LOL

Chris.

In regards to what you were saying, I've had issues with that before with a suprise rat pregnancy I had. I could be misunderstanding the advice that was given to me but once you remove a member of the colony, you should clean out the enclosure and change the bedding before reintroducing males that have been removed.

Not an experienced suggestion on my part but something that I was told. If you think the females are prego, I would leave your male out anyways. Maybe see how they progress? Just a suggestion, I have no idea what I am talking about with this stuff.

HAHA

Good luck!

Cheers,
Chris.

Yeah I removed the male and the one female that was clearly not pregnant (I picked her up at a different time than the other 2) and put them in tub seven which was empty so I will keep an eye on things there but I think these 2 will do better down there..

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Originally Posted by decensored

Lol it sounded kinda ludacris for ball pythons but I did go meet a guy I met off of the classafieds to pick up a few snakes and his breeding meathod was similar to what you explained but he was doing it with snakes. HAHA I lost it on him, and I should have picked up on what you were saying.

Sorry again. LOL

Chris.

In regards to what you were saying, I've had issues with that before with a suprise rat pregnancy I had. I could be misunderstanding the advice that was given to me but once you remove a member of the colony, you should clean out the enclosure and change the bedding before reintroducing males that have been removed.

Not an experienced suggestion on my part but something that I was told. If you think the females are prego, I would leave your male out anyways. Maybe see how they progress? Just a suggestion, I have no idea what I am talking about with this stuff.

HAHA

Good luck!

Cheers,
Chris.

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I cant beleive you met somebody that was breeding balls harem style! thats rediculous!

hahah yeah they were all very sick too.

All the males were emancipated, 75% of them had bad resp. It was a nightmare..
The worst part is I had sold two of my animals to him a year ago and they were on the brink of death.

It was a very heart breaking experience.

Good luck!

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hahah yeah they were all very sick too.

All the males were emancipated, 75% of them had bad resp. It was a nightmare..
The worst part is I had sold two of my animals to him a year ago and they were on the brink of death.

It was a very heart breaking experience.

Good luck!

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LOL This whole thread is full of hilarity. I certainly don't think they were emancipated BPs :P

As for the rats being aggressive.. I rarely have issues with them fighting, and if I do, I try to find out who is starting the fights. Sometimes they just don't like each other.. if it's a female or group of females beating up a male, usually helps to clean out all the bedding as mentioned above, and toss in new.. you can also rub or spray them down with something like vanilla, or even put them all in a sterilite with about an inch of water while you clean, and then throw them all back in the breeder tub together. Something about living through a trauma together forms bonds with rats.... seriously. Putting something scented like the vanilla on them gives them something else to think about - like grooming themselves and each other, another bonding moment, that gets a lot of territorial rats over their social problems.

I only have one male that starts fights, and is a bit too forceful with the ladies.. he is also the only rat I have with a name (well that's a lie, but the other one with a name isn't appropriate to post on the forums), therefore he is living out his days as a single boy. He gets head scratches, but no longer gets to date the ladies, and must stay a good 2000 rat feet away from any nursery tubs.

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LOL This whole thread is full of hilarity. I certainly don't think they were emancipated BPs :P

As for the rats being aggressive.. I rarely have issues with them fighting, and if I do, I try to find out who is starting the fights. Sometimes they just don't like each other.. if it's a female or group of females beating up a male, usually helps to clean out all the bedding as mentioned above, and toss in new.. you can also rub or spray them down with something like vanilla, or even put them all in a sterilite with about an inch of water while you clean, and then throw them all back in the breeder tub together. Something about living through a trauma together forms bonds with rats.... seriously. Putting something scented like the vanilla on them gives them something else to think about - like grooming themselves and each other, another bonding moment, that gets a lot of territorial rats over their social problems.

I only have one male that starts fights, and is a bit too forceful with the ladies.. he is also the only rat I have with a name (well that's a lie, but the other one with a name isn't appropriate to post on the forums), therefore he is living out his days as a single boy. He gets head scratches, but no longer gets to date the ladies, and must stay a good 2000 rat feet away from any nursery tubs.

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Lol! I think he meant emaciated! LOL!

I thought it was strange that they were being aggressive toward him so ofcourse had to ask if it was normal for pregnant rats to be aggressive toward a new male. I will keep all of those tips in mind! Appreciate it! :gj:

lol yes I did, stupid spell check hahaha

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lol yes I did, stupid spell check hahaha

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It's OK, we got what you meant :) Sometimes when I am typing on my phone it puts things like 'Herzogivina' instead of 'jeeze'.. and I don't catch it until it's too late, or it's too much of a hassle to fix due to the day's particular humidity and heat levels (you meant to click THAT link all the way over there, right??), I don't fight the phone, and just let errors be.

I don't tend to rotate my males around like that so I am not to much help. Mine are all in trios and typically stay that way until I decide I want to try a different pairing. At that point I clean the cages well and move anybody around that I want to. However I only do that rarely and often the trios are together through multiple litters, dad is usually a big help. I have had minor issues bringing in new blood where they can pick on the newcomer until they draw blood, but not often. And as mentioned if you spray them with vanilla then they all smell the same and don't usually recognize the newcomer. I do have one girl that hates change and anytime I want to move anyone in her cage I have to stand by for a while I case she gets too mean.