Experienced opinions needed...
I recently hatched another clutch of Pewter Pied stuff and I'm trying to determine if the lighter animal is a low quality Sterling or a high quality Pewter. Both pictured are clutch mates. Thanks.
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Re: Experienced opinions needed...
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Originally Posted by
Serpent_Nirvana
From my experience, I have to disagree with that idea. We've been producing Pewter het Pieds for 5 seasons now. The first two seasons produced animals that look rather typical, other than the striping that is thought to be associated with the Pied gene. The fading was not really noticed until the third year when we began breeding back to the original Pewter female and my Pastel het Pied females. This particular breeding was from three possible males, Pewter Pied, Pied, and Pewter het Pied. All hatchlings have perfect het Pied markers so it could have been any of the males. I am not convinced the fading has anything to do with being het Pied......although, I do think your possible het is a definite het. :gj:
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I see two pewters. The one on the right looks washed out, but not enough to be a sterling IMHO. Plus is has a pewter head. Pewter hatchings can vary even within the same clutch.
Re: Experienced opinions needed...
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Originally Posted by
Brandon Osborne
From my experience, I have to disagree with that idea. We've been producing Pewter het Pieds for 5 seasons now. The first two seasons produced animals that look rather typical, other than the striping that is thought to be associated with the Pied gene. The fading was not really noticed until the third year when we began breeding back to the original Pewter female and my Pastel het Pied females. This particular breeding was from three possible males, Pewter Pied, Pied, and Pewter het Pied. All hatchlings have perfect het Pied markers so it could have been any of the males. I am not convinced the fading has anything to do with being het Pied......although, I do think your possible het is a definite het. :gj:
Thanks for the info! Good to know that they aren't all wild-looking, so that if I do get some less-extreme pewter possible het pieds in the future I'll know to look for more subtle markers ... I did have the impression that they were all whacked-out, so I appreciate the pics showing that variation!
I think what led me to the "crazy washout = het pied" conclusion is just the very loose association between the pied project and crazy pewters/sterlings ... Your whole sandblast/urban camo project is obviously the most extreme example, but seeing how crazy my pewter girl looks (her brother that was for sale looked just like a regular pewter), when she is ph pied and unrelated to your project (AFAIK -- then again, maybe the breeder got his stock from your stock) got me thinking maybe it was "just" the pied gene influence. At least, I can't recall seeing a pewter that had the same extreme degree of whiteout (not brownout) that wasn't from a pied project ... ? Some of the citrus/fader pewters look to be very, well, faded, but it seems they are more consistently faded on their backs, not in the patchy ringer-type pattern that your sandblasts have (at least based on my Google Image survey of them ...).
That, and, as I said, hoping that my various cinny combo ph pied animals prove out. :rofl: Thanks for the encouragement! :)
