need help on identifying the rescue that came to me

I was brought a rescue yesterday, I think its a carpet python bit not sure type or if its a morph or Wat. The snake was found in an apartment closet after tenants moved out. Pic is on profile. Please help

Looks like a normal coastal carpet python to me possibly a jungle/coastal integrate

Checkout this site:

http://www.acreptiles.com/main/index...=81&Itemid=140

Looks to be a nice Coastal, I don't see any jungle in this guy, looks to be a pure, but definitely would not call it a pure down the line for the sake of being muddy, just my two cents ;-)

That's Wat I was thinking. Never had or seen one in person. How much do they usually go for? And do u know how big they get

Cost can be as litlle as 75 for an integrade, 125 for an alleged pure, and 175 for a pure with known origins from a reputable breeder (although by the end of the season left overs can go for 100 for a pure one).

Size is arguable. They have size variation without geographic variation. The largest specimens are usually less than 3 meters, most specimens reach lengths to 6-6.3 meters. In coastals males will typically get larger than females thanks to sexual selection process and male combat in the wild. Lots of caresheets out there will tell you the oposite of this, check out "the complete carpet python" by Nick Mutton and Justin Julander for more information on this.

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Originally Posted by 218ReptileRescue

That's Wat I was thinking. Never had or seen one in person. How much do they usually go for? And do u know how big they get

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From the article Aaron posted:

"Coastal or Queensland Carpets (M. s. mcdowelli)
These grow the largest. Although some females have been known to grow to 10 or 11 feet in length (and maybe even more), most adults stay in the range of 7-9 feet."

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Originally Posted by Daybreaker

From the article Aaron posted:

"Coastal or Queensland Carpets (M. s. mcdowelli)
These grow the largest. Although some females have been known to grow to 10 or 11 feet in length (and maybe even more), most adults stay in the range of 7-9 feet."

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False - normaly they grow within the same range as Jungles, sometimes slightly larger, but in most cases there is a small difference in captivity. Larger growing coastals come from the southern region of their range (if memory serves). It's just like saying Irian Jaya, M. s. harrisoni, are the smallest growing :colbert: These actually can grow to 7ft in a nice size female. Note they are not known for engaging in male to male combat, so natural selection has geared toward larger females.

The largest growing carpet pythons by definition would be M. bredli, which is arguablly a different sub species :-), but the largest growing Morelia would be the Scrub Python. None the less, a 7-9 ft coastal is NOT a common site.

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Originally Posted by reptileexperts

False - normaly they grow within the same range as Jungles, sometimes slightly larger, but in most cases there is a small difference in captivity. Larger growing coastals come from the southern region of their range (if memory serves). It's just like saying Irian Jaya, M. s. harrisoni, are the smallest growing :colbert: These actually can grow to 7ft in a nice size female. Note they are not known for engaging in male to male combat, so natural selection has geared toward larger females.

The largest growing carpet pythons by definition would be M. bredli, which is arguablly a different sub species :-), but the largest growing Morelia would be the Scrub Python. None the less, a 7-9 ft coastal is NOT a common site.

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Do you have some links to more coastal carpet info?

http://www.inlandreptile.com/index.html - Has some decent info on several species/subspecies of carpets on their website. If you're ever at a Portland or Seattle reptile show, you can pick up a copy of The Complete Carpet Python from the man himself. Website states Coastals can reach up to 14 feet, though it is as suggest previously, a rarity.

See above link. I've talked with nick on this matter a couple times now after Reading his book. I work with 3 of the complexes and various morphs within them.

I'm seeing Jungle in the mix. Sad part is, 20-30 years ago, breeders thought adding Jungle to Coastal would make for better looking animals...but it did the opposite. True Coastals are not as common these days.

Pure coastals are common from the right breeders . . . All my coastals are traceable to the original wild caught grand parents.

Never said they weren't available. I see more crosses sold as "coastal" than I see "pure" lines. I've had plenty of pure coastals myself.

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Pure coastals are common from the right breeders . . . All my coastals are traceable to the original wild caught grand parents.

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Don't want to derail too much, but do you have a website that shows your coastals/carpets and current available babies (if applicable)?

And when finding a pure coastal are there physical traits to look for or is it all in tracing back lines?

Reputable breeder - my coastals came from Nick Mutton, they will be breeding next season - www.inlandreptile.com is him. Anthony Capenetto over at www.acreptiles.com is also working with the same lines as Nick, and then we still have www.australianaddictions.com, Kerry King over at Psychotic Exotics (sire of my Coastal Jag) also works with tracable lines. Head patterns have a lot of tell tell to them. Sometimes striping / pattern coloration can be indicative, but more time than less, most people do head studies to try and visually determine mixes vs high% to pures. I will say that after 87.5%, you will not be able to visually distinguish them from a pure (Per communication with Nick Mutton). But mutt snakes are a huge problem. Especially with people trying to get the Jag gene into other complexes, and now getting the Zebra and Granite and Caramel into other complexes as well. (Zebra = Jungle, Caramel and Jag = Coastal, Tiger (polygenic) = Coastal, and Granite = Irian Jaya, Albino = Darwin, Ivory = Jungle, Axanthic = Jungle). Anything else, just ask.

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*note australian addicitions is Justin Julander, not sure I distinguished that enough*
Many of my stuff can be seen at www.flickr.com/codyconway, Just updated some ball stuff, but will be working on catching up on the Carpets very soon, waiting for my IJ granites to come in.