First boa litter. Need help determining what is hypo.

This is our first Boa litter Hypo Nicaraguan male to T+ Female. Only putting up the pictures of the ones that have shed for now. Any help determining what is hypo and what isn't would be helpful. I'm putting up my guess just to see how far off I am. Of course all of them are het for T+.

I think this is hypo.
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w...bies/1Ajpg.jpg

Not hypo on this one.
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w...bies/2Ajpg.jpg

Hypo on this one.
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w...bies/3Ajpg.jpg

Hypo on this one as well.
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w...bies/5Ajpg.jpg

Maybe really reaching to think this one is hypo.
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w...bies/6Ajpg.jpg

This is a normal I think.
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w...bies/8Ajpg.jpg

Thank you in advance.

I'm no help, never bred boa's, but you gotta love them!!!

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I think you're right on which ones are which; with the next-to-last snake being a normal. They're all awesome, I like the funky patterns.

None of those snakes look like hypos to me. And none look like normals.

Any chance of pictures of the parents?

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Originally Posted by paulh

None of those snakes look like hypos to me. And none look like normals.

Any chance of pictures of the parents?

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Here are the parents when they were younger.

Dam - Animosa T+ Nic
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w...s/AnamosaA.jpg
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w...s/AnamosaC.jpg

Sire - Lakota Hypo Nic
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w...as/LakotaA.jpg
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w...as/LakotaC.jpg

# 3 is your hypo.

#1 is possibly hypo, but its still wet so its difficult to tell.

#'s 4 & 5 have some hypo traits, but I don't think they're hypos - at least not yet. The lighting in these pics makes it difficult to tell, to be honest...

#'s 2 & 6 are definitely normal colored.


Also, #'s 1 & 2 have very nice reverse stripes! :gj:


Your hypos in this litter are going to be slightly darker than the average hypo because these are Nics (or Nic crosses). Nics have significant speckling which is part of their appeal, but it does tend to muddy up the hypo coloration. Your male is a prime example of this - he's super nice, btw - and he probably looked a lot like #3 as a baby. Any chance you could post some additional pics of each of these? Once they've dried off, and with different lighting, I may change my mind on 1, 4, and 5........

Thank you. I will see if we can get some better pictures tonight, but things have been a little on edge since apparently one of our incubators had an issue and our last clutch of ball pythons hatched all deformed and stuff. Right now we are trying to figure out when the temperature spiked in that incubator and how many clutches were affected.

Updated pictures. Here are current pictures of the parents:
Dam:
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w...es/Animosa.jpg
Sir: Realize yes he is in a shoe box size tub.
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w...LakotaAjpg.jpg

I paired the babies off so the color comparison can be seen if one exists.

First 1 and 2: Neither of these have shed yet, but they have beautiful reverse stripes. Not sure if it was genetic in the pairing but with the number of babies that have some reverse striping I hope it is. 1 is definitely redder than 2 and I can't wait until both shed and I can see their color and those reverse stripes.
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w...s/1and2jpg.jpg

Next is 3 and 4: You can definitely see the color difference between these two.
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w.../3and4Bjpg.jpg

Then we have 5 and 6: Slight color difference between them, but not sure if the coloring is significant enough to say.
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w.../5and6Ajpg.jpg

last is 7 and 8: Both of these look normal in color and number 7 will not sit still and let me get a good picture.
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w.../7and8Ajpg.jpg

So I am confused. Hypo Nicaraguans are hypo w/out being recessive? I was thinking they should all be DH Hypo T+ but I am a bp dude and dont know a lot about boas. Which is kinda weird cuz I love boas. But shouldnt they all be DH?

EDIT: Also that T+ Lady is super hot! Really diggin her!

From every thing I have read hypo in boas is a codom trait like pastel in ball pythons.

Give them a month or two to color up, and you should not have any issues telling them apart. Their colors get more vibrant after a couple of months. Congrats on the litter!

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So I am confused. Hypo Nicaraguans are hypo w/out being recessive? I was thinking they should all be DH Hypo T+ but I am a bp dude and dont know a lot about boas. Which is kinda weird cuz I love boas. But shouldnt they all be DH?

EDIT: Also that T+ Lady is super hot! Really diggin her!

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From every thing I have read hypo in boas is a codom trait like pastel in ball pythons.

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The hypomelanistic trait in boas is not recessive - it is incomplete dominant (which is often referred to as co-dominant). What this means is that if you breed a hypo to a normal, you'll get both hypos and normals in the litter. If you breed 2 hypos, you'll get mostly hypos, a few "super" hypos, and a few normals in the litter.

T+ albino IS recessive. So these babies are either hypo or normal and all are het for T+ albino. The normal babies are only het T+ albino. The hypo babies would be referred to as hypo het T+ albino OR as DH T+ sunglow (which is the expression of both the hypo and the T+ genes).

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Give them a month or two to color up, and you should not have any issues telling them apart. Their colors get more vibrant after a couple of months. Congrats on the litter!

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I agree. These babies have some stuff going on, but it's a bit early to determine their genes. They need to color up more. Hypos are often recognizable from the moment of birth, but some localities are more difficult than others and Nics are one of these. Give it at least month and we'll see then. :gj:

Learning new things everyday!

So a hypo boa's shed still lacks any pattern though right? My hog islands sheds dont have any pattern either but I have heard that hogs are pretty much hypos too. Is this true? Sorry I dont mean to be straying from the OPs topic but it has some relevance right?

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Learning new things everyday!

So a hypo boa's shed still lacks any pattern though right? My hog islands sheds dont have any pattern either but I have heard that hogs are pretty much hypos too. Is this true? Sorry I dont mean to be straying from the OPs topic but it has some relevance right?

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Not all Hogs are hypos. They have a very light, orangish coloration as a general rule, but it's only the coloration of the local - same way Nics tend to be heavily speckled and Argentines are darker and more granity, etc. The hypo gene does occur naturally in Hogs though so you will often see hypo Hogs.

And you should still see some patterning on the shed with either hypos or Hogs unless the animal is exceptionally light. The pattern in any case is much more difficult to see though. :gj:

Here is a picture of Peaches, my female Colombian hypo het ghost (she is not a Hog Island). Her coloration is very coral and orange and her pattern is distinct. Her sheds have a light but noticable pattern...
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/.../peaches01.jpg

And this is Jasper, my male Colombian het hypo (also not a Hog Island). His coloration is much lighter and more muted, more silvery. His sheds are very nearly clear with only the faintest outline of pattern...
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...t/jasper07.jpg

Hope that helps with the distinction!! ;)

Hmm I am gonna have to take a closer look at his next shed.... His orange coloration is starting to come in on his lower half and his upper half is light with very little speckling so I should see some pattern atleast on the lower half. Thanks for the help! Man I need to start doing some more research on boas.

You may or may not see the pattern. If he's young and still attaining color, it might not be visible yet. And you're actually more likely to see the pattern on the upper (or dosal) half and/or down toward the tail. :gj: