Desert x desert

Someone resurrected a thread about pro exotics breeding a desert lesser an desert spider together. This got me thinking. Of all the desert female breedings that have gone sour, how many were desert x desert. I'm not a genetics expert nor do I think that desert females have a chance at laying viable eggs, but that pairing seems interesting to me. What if the desert problem can be as simple as a desert female needing 2 desert genes to be able to lay good clutches. I haven't heard of any desert x desert myself but I would like to hear about some. Thanks in advance for your answers!


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At this point the evidence points to there being an unacceptably high risk of a slow painful death for the female, so I personally do not advocate breeding a Desert female at all.

True. I don't think they should be bred anymore. I was just wondering if my idea had already been attempted. I dont believe that the desert females should be bred anymore either. But I wouldn't mind having a pastel desert spider female as the coolest pet ever. :)

I wonder if anyone has done any scientific research on why only the females dont breed. Figure its got to be something internal.

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Originally Posted by Rat160

I wonder if anyone has done any scientific research on why only the females dont breed. Figure its got to be something internal.

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They apparently do breed but either slug out or get egg bound and die.

Its a risky pairing. People already don't want to invest in a female that is infertile. If a female desert can only produce a viable clutch if only paired with a male desert seems almost pointless or at least a dead end.

Also, the infertility is probably directly linked to the X chromosome, which is why male deserts are fine.

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Then why do people like bhb still sell females for $1800???

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Its a risky pairing. People already don't want to invest in a female that is infertile. If a female desert can only produce a viable clutch if only paired with a male desert seems almost pointless or at least a dead end.

Also, the infertility is probably directly linked to the X chromosome, which is why male deserts are fine.

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Most snakes use ZZ:ZW sex determination, right? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZW_sex-...ination_system
Desert female infertility perhaps is linked to W, similar to male patterned baldness in humans?

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Originally Posted by Anatopism

Most snakes use ZZ:ZW sex determination, right? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZW_sex-...ination_system
Desert female infertility perhaps is linked to W, similar to male patterned baldness in humans?

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I'm not sure. It says 'some' reptiles. But regardless, I meant specifically female chromosome. So either way, I believe that is the main biological issue with deserts.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

At this point the evidence points to there being an unacceptably high risk of a slow painful death for the female, so I personally do not advocate breeding a Desert female at all.

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Jinx, I wasn't saying that I think this pairing should be done, I was just wondering if it had been done. Also, why do you not think that the males should be bred? They make babies just fine. I'm sure if you hatched out a double or triple gene female, you could still make a bit of coin selling it as a pet. Are you saying that we should stop breeding all ball pythons with problems? Because you have some problem animals in your collection. Not meaning to offend here, just gathering info.


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Originally Posted by interloc

Jinx, I wasn't saying that I think this pairing should be done, I was just wondering if it had been done. Also, why do you not think that the males should be bred? They make babies just fine. I'm sure if you hatched out a double or triple gene female, you could still make a bit of coin selling it as a pet. Are you saying that we should stop breeding all ball pythons with problems? Because you have some problem animals in your collection. Not meaning to offend here, just gathering info

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I said females specifically, but now that you bring it up... There is a contingent that thinks males should not be bred either, and I can see their point. Go read the 107 page long thread on this over at BLBC. you have a 25% chance of hitting a female with Desert in her. Where are all of these females going to go. Would you keep all of them that you produce and have that many mouths to feed that will return zero production. You are right that a handful of the especially nice ones can be sold as pets. But regardless of the number of genes, there is only so much someone will pay for a sterile pet Ball Python. The other issue of releasing all of the females to the pet trade, is that there will be folks without the knowledge or moral scruples to not breed these girls, and they will kill many of them in the process.

It is up to an individual to decide, but much more thought and research needs to be put in to it by that person. At this point breeding a female is pretty much reckless and irresponsible animal ownership. It has been 10 years without a single viable EGG, much-less clutch, and girls are dying in the process.

Like I said there are threads here and on other forums that go very deep into this and it is not worth rehashing here. In addition some of those threads have actual vets and genetics experts weighing in.

As far as the original question, I do not know if Desert X Desert has been tried. But, there is zero reason genetically or biologically to suspect that it will make a difference.

My bad or thinking you said deserts in general lol. I think females would make awesome pets but shouldn't be bred. I was jus curious about if desert x desert was done. Thanks jinx for your posts. Btws. Lovin that champin that's common your way!


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