Found my first canebrake

I was road cruising tonight when saw a snake stretched across half of my lane as I pulled up on it I realized it was a canebrake. I was so excited I forgot to take pic. But man it was exhilarating. An absolute beauty very light colored.

*googles canebreak* .... :O:O:O that thing is epic.

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Originally Posted by reptiliachnids

*googles canebreak* .... :O:O:O that thing is epic.

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Umm, yes, going to Google right now...

Oh, my, what a sight. Cool.

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Tease. lol. I was hoping for pics. :rolleyes: Canebrakes are gorgeous. I wish I could see one in the wild. The only venemous I have come across in the field were a juvi cottonmouth and a couple of large eastern diamondbacks.

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Originally Posted by WarriorPrincess90

Tease. lol. I was hoping for pics. :rolleyes: Canebrakes are gorgeous. I wish I could see one in the wild. The only venemous I have come across in the field were a juvi cottonmouth and a couple of large eastern diamondbacks.

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Sorry it was my first rattle snake all I could do was shout to my girl friend look look look! Lol I'll get pictures next time I promise.

Awesome experience for you. I have been living in Georgia for 6 years now and I have yet to come across any of the hots in the field. :mad: But I'm keeping my eyes open. :please:

Awesome find. I will say that the professor that I did research for as an undergrad had done some genetics work and published a paper along with some others stating definitively that canebrake is not in fact subspecies of Crotalus horridus but merely a regional variant. Either way, congrats on an awesome find! I wish I could have been there too, and if I ever get a hot someday it will be a TR, hands down.

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Originally Posted by gsarchie

Awesome find. I will say that the professor that I did research for as an undergrad had done some genetics work and published a paper along with some others stating definitively that canebrake is not in fact subspecies of Crotalus horridus but merely a regional variant. Either way, congrats on an awesome find! I wish I could have been there too, and if I ever get a hot someday it will be a TR, hands down.

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I have a hard time believing that they are one in the same, I mean if northern and southern copperheads are different sub species then why not timbers and canebrakes? There are other snakes that I feel there is poorly placed as well, like emory rats and Miami phase corns. Emorys are a sub species or corn but Miami phase isn't. But I digress I am not a geneticist so its just opinions for me.

Very cool find! Even though Canebrakes are listed as native to parts of Florida, I've never been lucky enough to see one in the wild.

My professor's name is George Pisani, and I only mentioned it because I have a great amount of respect for the man and he put some hard work into his research and field and lab work.

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My professor's name is George Pisani, and I only mentioned it because I have a great amount of respect for the man and he put some hard work into his research and field and lab work.

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I have no doubt he did, and I'm sure that he is right. I just feel that locale makes it a subspecies. I'd really like to read his paper. And my opinion is only based on what (some) keepers of the crotalus family believe and have explained to me. I have never done a scale count nor dissection or anything else scientific on my own to come to my conclusion.

1972. A re- evaluation of the subspecies of Crotalus horridus . Trans, Kans. Acad. Sci. 75(3):255-263 (1972, issued 1973). with Joseph T. Collins and Stephen R. Edwards. (R)

There is the citation but that is all that I could find. If you have access to JSTOR or something similar you would probably be able to find the article. Apparently, as with many things in the south, the Civil War being an example, the belief in the canebrake as a subspecies doesn't want to die! LOL And for the life of me I can't figure out why it matters anyway!

His email is gpisani@ku.edu. I'm sure if you emailed him and said you were curious about his paper he could look into emailing you a copy of it.

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Originally Posted by gsarchie

1972. A re- evaluation of the subspecies of Crotalus horridus . Trans, Kans. Acad. Sci. 75(3):255-263 (1972, issued 1973). with Joseph T. Collins and Stephen R. Edwards. (R)

There is the citation but that is all that I could find. If you have access to JSTOR or something similar you would probably be able to find the article. Apparently, as with many things in the south, the Civil War being an example, the belief in the canebrake as a subspecies doesn't want to die! LOL And for the life of me I can't figure out why it matters anyway!

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I'll look it up, thanks. And you lost me with the civil war reference.