how do you spot a mysic?

how can you tell?

It's quite difficult. I produced 14 mystics last year and held two back because they're either mystics or mojaves. I couldn't tell. It takes a keen eye (8 of them in my experience) to determine mystic from mojave.

If you pair mystic to normal it's very obvious.

If you pair Mystic to mojave it might be a bit tricky and you might want to wait a little, mojave have a green hue to them that mystic do not have.

Care to take a guess on this one?

Mojave or mystic?

I'm just learning about mystics. I posted this thread awhile back about the difference between my male & female mojaves eyes.

Could something be going on? Sorry, these are sooo not the best pics. I was just experimenting with my camera. These pics are like a year and a half old!

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...t82010n279.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...t82010n280.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...t82010n281.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...t82010n283.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...t82010n286.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...t82010n290.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...t82010n291.jpg

Is the top of the eye lighter than the bottom of the eye? If so, Mystic.

for reference

My proven breeder male

http://stewartreptiles.com/wordpress...c/mystic03.jpg

And some recent hatchlings from Mystic to normal pairing.

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...6/P6290180.jpg

I've said it since day 1.. Mystics look like Mojos. I'm not saying they are identical... I think they just have some similarities, especially in the pattern.

I have a hard time spotting the difference :P.

The way it was explained to me is that where the flames/blushing comes up from the belly is more a white hue then the golden you see on Mojaves. That, as well as they show more of a black coloration compared to the brown of Mojaves. But based on the picture that Deborah shared, that kind of kills that for me.

Here's a picture o mine that bred this year. Still waiting on the eggs to drop from the dame.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...2/IMG_0299.jpg

From every picture I've seen of a mystic I've noticed 1 thing every time.
You know how pastels "brown out"
A mystic looks like a mojave that's done the same.

Thanks guys. Unfortunately every single mojave (mystic?) I have right now is in shed, LOL!

Including the sire I posted photos of. But yes I do believe his eyes are split - light on top and dark on the bottom, I didn't get a good look at the eyes of the offspring that just hatched, but I'll dig up some pics I took before they went blue. I'll try to get an updated pic of the sire before he sheds out.

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These are the babies:

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...-2012017-1.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...-2012018-1.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...-2012019-1.jpg

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...-2012020-1.jpg

Oh, and here's an older pic of his eye. Tried to choose one with the least reflection in it...

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/a...10n342crop.jpg

Wait a minute.
If a mystic had lighter top of the eye than the bottom than my Mojave that I purchased as a Mojave
Is a mystic.
Her eye has a beautiful light green/blueish along the top of her eye and the bottom half is much darker.

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Originally Posted by sookieball

Wait a minute.
If a mystic had lighter top of the eye than the bottom than my Mojave that I purchased as a Mojave
Is a mystic.
Her eye has a beautiful light green/blueish along the top of her eye and the bottom half is much darker.

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I've never heard that this is a determining factor....can anyone confirm/deny?

Does anyone have side by side pictures? I can take one and post it but will take a while. Both are about the same size and I can clearly see the difference in the ones I have..... even if my Mystic looks significantly different then some of the other pictures posted here already.

Edit: Oh well. I can't do this today. Mojave is in deep blue right now.

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Originally Posted by sookieball

Wait a minute.
If a mystic had lighter top of the eye than the bottom than my Mojave that I purchased as a Mojave
Is a mystic.
Her eye has a beautiful light green/blueish along the top of her eye and the bottom half is much darker.

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Lol, I know! That's why I checked my male mojave (that I posted all those pics of) because a long while back I noticed his eye was different than my mojave girl.

With the amount of people saying their mojaves have the split-eye, it seems like perhaps this is NOT a determining factor? Unless of course the snakes were all sold as mojaves before mystics were determined to be a separate morph? I'm having a hard time finding clear, concise information regarding mystics. And actually, any ball python morph for that matter. There's a lot of speculation, a lot of people that say "overall coloration" of a snake can be the determining factor weather or not it's a morph. But that doesn't take into account different camera settings, different lighting conditions, different monitor calibrations, etc. So in my eyes, it is impossible to say anything about a snakes "overall coloration" without seeing them side by side, IN REAL LIFE.

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I've never heard that this is a determining factor....can anyone confirm/deny?

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I read it over on Reptile's Canada the other day, which is what caused me to check out my male mojave. Both my mojo's are in shed right now too!! AS WELL AS all the babies I just hatchde. Talk about bad timing :P

Yeah I got my Mojave girl a couple years ago. And lighting makes no difference on her eyes.
Also she looks purple in real life.
And when I first got her,
A few members here asked if I was sure she was just a mojo.
I assured them she was sold by a reputable breeder to me as a Mojave.
But hey,
Mystic/Mojave what ever she is she's my baby and have a clutch in the bator right now that was a butter sire to her.
So let's see.

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Got 2 adult mojos here and 1 juvie, all are different colours. Will post pic soon

http://i47.tinypic.com/s4bb7n.jpg

They say you can tell by there bellies;)


Jason Rossi
www.rossireptiles.com
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What is distinguishing about their bellies?