Small Mice or Rat Pups/Fluffs

Hey my 6-8 week old baby male royal is about 73 grams and is feeding on small mice at the moment people are telling me to switch him to rat pups is this a good idea?

shall i switch him to rat pups or fluffs

Current Food:
http://www.frozenreptile.co.uk/froze...zen-small-mice

Rat Pups:
http://www.frozenreptile.co.uk/froze...rozen-rat-pups
Rat Fluffs:
http://www.frozenreptile.co.uk/froze...zen-rat-fluffs

Need as much advice as possible.. i fed him for the first time today and he took it so please help! :)

HE WAYS 73 GRAMS.. 6-8 WEEKS OLD... MALE.. CAPTIVE BRED..

I am going to be getting my first BP in a few weeks and I was told (and have read in a few places) that rats have much more nutrients, so they are prefered over mice if you snake will eat them.

Rats will be easier, when your BP gets bigger you won't have to worry about trying to switch from mice to rats. The previous owner of mine fed mice, I am going to be switching soon.

I have an avid mouser she just wont eat rats most the time and she is doing fine. the reason I prefer rats is when the snake is much older with over 1000G on them you end up feeding several mice at a time which is not only time consuming but more expensive. Switching to rats is easier when they are younger. So that is why I recomend rats as soon as you can:)

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Originally Posted by RestlessRobie

I have an avid mouser she just wont eat rats most the time and she is doing fine. the reason I prefer rats is when the snake is much older with over 1000G on them you end up feeding several mice at a time which is not only time consuming but more expensive. Switching to rats is easier when they are younger. So that is why I recomend rats as soon as you can:)

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Rat pups or Rat fluffs?
:)

rat pups are cheaper shall i try them so its not a waste of money?

The "fluffs" are closer to 15% of your snakes weight. In my opinion he would probably outgrow the pups too quickly. I would wait for someone else to weigh in though.

I would say fluffs but you may want to wait until he is a bit larger maybe 100 grams first. Also I listed in your other thread US sizes. Here pups are normally in the 20-30g range.

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Originally Posted by BPLuvr

I would say fluffs but you may want to wait until he is a bit larger maybe 100 grams first. Also I listed in your other thread US sizes. Here pups are normally in the 20-30g range.

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lol im confused here its pups, fluffs.. but in america its.. pinkies, fuzzies then pups?

i need to find a uk size chart haha

Yeah, it's like the whole metric vs imperial thing lol

You are correct; pinkies, fuzzes, then pups

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Originally Posted by The Serpent Merchant

Yeah, it's like the whole metric vs imperial thing lol

You are correct; pinkies, fuzzes, then pups

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lol so confusing haha so atm i think im feeding him small mice about 7-8cm long so if i fed him rats what rats would i need to feed him in the american way? which i will start using now lol

im new to this whole stuff so im not sure about the max girth of the body etc.. just need help!

thanks

I would go by weight, 15% of your BP's body weight to be exact

(see post I made in your other thread)

The issue is that even here in the US while to progression of names is the same ( pinkies = smallest, then fuzzes, then pups) the size of rodents varies. So you might get 10 gram rodents called pinkies from one supplier but 5 gram rodents called pinkies from another...

By going by weight of the rodent in ratio to the weight of your snake you will have an accurate method of determining prey size.

* this only work for smaller BP's with adults a rodent that weighs 15% of its body weight would be too large.

At 73 grams your snake can eat a small adult mouse or a fuzzy rat (those are between 6 to 14 days) for the rest you need to eyeball it.

While true that their can be a difference in weight with feeders that are of the same name, appellation is based on age not the weight.

Pink Mice and Rat 0 to 5 days

Fuzzy rat and mice 6 to 14 days

Hopper mice 15 to 20 days - Rat Pup 15 to 20 days

Weanlings mice and rat 21 to 27 days

Adult mice 28 days and over - Small rat 28 days to 32 days

etc

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Originally Posted by Deborah

At 73 grams your snake can eat a small adult mouse or a fuzzy rat (those are between 6 to 14 days) for the rest you need to eyeball it.

While true that their can be a difference in weight with feeders that are of the same name, appellation is based on age not the weight.

Pink Mice and Rat 0 to 5 days

Fuzzy rat and mice 6 to 14 days

Hopper mice 15 to 20 days - Rat Pup 15 to 20 days

Weanlings mice and rat 21 to 27 days

Adult mice 28 days and over - Small rat 28 days to 32 days

etc

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ive just orded rat pinkies 10g i ordered 10

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Originally Posted by SRMD94

ive just orded rat pinkies 10g i ordered 10

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Based on the links in your first post, they're probably going to be a little on the small side (10g was the max), but it's not a big deal. You can always double up the last meal or two if he outgrows them, since you only ordered 10.

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

Based on the links in your first post, they're probably going to be a little on the small side (10g was the max), but it's not a big deal. You can always double up the last meal or two if he outgrows them, since you only ordered 10.

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i ordered them from a different website but yeah if i double up does that mean i feed him one and then as soon as hes got that into his body give him another?

thanks

Yep, as soon as one's in his stomach, offer him the next.

I feed most of my new hatchlings on 'peach fuzzies'--rats that have just started to get their fur in. A 73 gram hatchling would get a fully furred fuzzy rat, eyes closed. It's about the same size as a small mouse. Sometimes I start them on mouse hoppers or smalls, depends on what I have in the rack.

I have had some hatchlings hatch out at 73 grams on occasion, lol. I usually feed fuzzies (eyes closed, furry), until they're over 100 to 120 grams, then they move up to crawlers/pups (eyes just starting to open).

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Yep, as soon as one's in his stomach, offer him the next.

I feed most of my new hatchlings on 'peach fuzzies'--rats that have just started to get their fur in. A 73 gram hatchling would get a fully furred fuzzy rat, eyes closed. It's about the same size as a small mouse. Sometimes I start them on mouse hoppers or smalls, depends on what I have in the rack.

I have had some hatchlings hatch out at 73 grams on occasion, lol. I usually feed fuzzies (eyes closed, furry), until they're over 100 to 120 grams, then they move up to crawlers/pups (eyes just starting to open).

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Exactly. Most of mine seem to hatch in the 75-85g range, so I feed fuzzies. I have an oversupply of pinkies right now, though, so I'm feeding one and then offering another one about 20-30 minutes later (gives time to swallow completely so I don't spook them when I open the tub back up).