How many breeders should I have?

Ok so I have 13 snakes: 12 balls and 1 Hog Island Boa. 4 of my balls take medium rats and I have 3 on smalls which leaves me with 5 that feed on pups and will be for at least a couple more months. I feed on a 6 day basis so my snakes will eat about 5 times per month. By the numbers I feed 20 meds, 15 smalls, and 30 pups monthly and thats roughly $135/month. I also plan on adding about 4 more snakes over the coming months so essentially I will have 17 snakes to feed. I currently have 2 females who are ready to breed and 1 big male rat.

I am wondering what would be a good amount of breeder rats so that eventually i will no longer have to buy F/T? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I suck at math, and it's been a long weekend....

60 rats a month, is about 8-10 litters of rats. So I think you would need "about" 10 females? The number of males depends on if you rotate males, or set harems... etc. But I could be off. There's some much smarter folks on here that have production down to a science, and I'm certain they'll be along to correct my faulty math skills.

My advice is definitely get a rack. You can keep all your rats in a single rack, without all the various tanks everywhere, trying to clean tanks, and junk.

I would say 1 female rat per snake.
And it's up to you on how many males you want to use.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

I would say 1 female rat per snake.
And it's up to you on how many males you want to use.

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x2 to that. And maybe hold back some of your females from higher-producing litters to grow out and have for when your current breeders wear out/quit producing. I have a female who regularly drops 16-18 pups per litter...which is a pain since she only has 12 teats, lol! That said, though, her daughters are being held back to grow out and hopefully keep up the trend of producing larger litters.

I keep four males for my 30 females, 16 of those females being active breeders to feed 14 snakes. I stagger my breedings to allow some of the litters to be fed off as pups (hatchling/juvenile snakes) and the others to grow out a bit for my older snakes that take small/medium rats and change out the males every so often.

1 female rat per snake is a good starting point and then you can add or not from there, depending on how your production goes. Just wait until you start and then get hooked on coat types, colors/patterns, dumbo vs. top eared, rex vs. satins, etc. It's every bit as addictive as the snakes are, lol! Good luck! :gj:

So where do I get a bigger variety i mean like coat types and rex vs. satins and such? Petco is really it for me. Are there any sites that will ship live rats for the sole purpose of breeding?

My first question is: How much space do you have to keep the rats?

I am currently running 18 tubs with 4 females per tub and I have 10 males that get rotated.
I also have a huge 3 tub rack for growing them out and a single tub for more females to grow out in.

I have quite a bit of room the only thing is in my garage the wall I want to keep them on has a window right in the middle of it so I would have to build around it. but what I was thinking was building a rack that was 6 high and 3 wide and then I could fit a rack that holds 2 large tubs under the window and if I outgrow that I have space on the wall on the other side of the window. kinda funky but we do what we can with the space we have...

So can females have litters and share a tub? Or is that dangerous for the pups?

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Originally Posted by Andybill

So can females have litters and share a tub? Or is that dangerous for the pups?

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Females with litters can be housed together. They will help each other take care of the pups. But take note that females being housed together will sync up their fertility cycle and will come into heat at the same time. So they tend to have litters at the same time unless you individually breed them.

all my females stay together all the time.
you also want to make sure they do not overheat

So then when it comes to breeding I read a thread that said something like week 1 male 1 goes with female 1. Do they stay in the tub together for a full week or does that just mean that week you will pair those 2 rats for a couple of days and then you're good? This should be the last question I have so thanks for all the help everybody. :)

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Originally Posted by Andybill

So then when it comes to breeding I read a thread that said something like week 1 male 1 goes with female 1. Do they stay in the tub together for a full week or does that just mean that week you will pair those 2 rats for a couple of days and then you're good? This should be the last question I have so thanks for all the help everybody. :)

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That thread means 1 male is breeding to only 1 female at a weeks time. You can leave the pair together in the same tub for a week if you want. But it really only takes one time for the female to become pregnant.
If you have more than 1 female in that tub, the male will mate with all of the females.

This is how I do it:
I house groups of 4 females together, but I don't want them all having litters at the same time so I individually pair rats. I don't have enough snakes to feed all 3-4 litters off at a time, so I breed 1 female every other week. I have a separate breeding tub for my rats to go in when I want then to. I generally leave a breeding pair together for 24 hours. It usually only takes them a few hours to copulate multiple times, so I just remove them after those 24 hours. I keep this breeding tub in my room so I'm able to hear whether or not they breed. (Peak time is around twilight). If they don't breed, I just leave the pair together until they do.

Back to your question. You could house a male/female pair together for a week or you can do it for a few days. It's really preference, but leaving them together for a week will guarantee mating. Females come into heat every 4 days, so she's bound to breed at least one day in that week.

Alright thanks everybody I think I have had all my questions answered! You have all been great! Really appreciate it! :gj:

I rotate my males, two weeks with all four girls, then that group doesnt see another male for 6 to 8 weeks.

I keep my males in with the females we have 4 females to 1 male per tub. Never have any issues with ours